Anti vaccinations

[LL3]

So following on from a previous post. I’ve found myself in a group of anti-vaxxers basically and I really like them as people but I really dislike their views on vaccinations. It’s difficult as I didn’t know this before I became friends and now im not sure what to do…

I’m not defensive at all I couldn’t post on mumsnet if I was tbh.

I think you’re positioning me as defensive, and I can argue that I’m not but that’s your opinion and honestly I don’t care about whether I am or not. Perhaps I would position you as being a bit blind tbh. You talk about free will which is something we’re all very grateful for. But just because people can make a choice doesn’t mean it’s the right one for everyone else. You don’t have to judge a choice but if that choice puts others at risk you can disagree with it. There’s a reason you vaccinated your kids. There’s a reason I vaccinated mine. Because it’s the safe thing to do. This isn’t baptising your kids or choosing to put them into private school or not. This is health for the greater population. So I’m sorry but yes perhaps I am defensive and yes perhaps you are a bit shortsighted.

Maybe I am short sighted, but having met 1000s of children in my life and approx 92.4% of them being up to date with vaccinations, that’s what I base my opinion on.

some children aren’t vaccinated due to preference and some aren’t vaccinated due to restrictions as you highlighted.

those that actually chose not to vaccinate are still the minority.. my children have what I believe to be protection, but other people perceive the vaccines as a risk and I don’t judge that

in answer to your original question, it’s up to you what you do, you have many options and I think you know really what your decision is.

You’ve never lived in an area where there’s been a measles outbreak. You obviously live in an area where the vaccination percentage is enoigh and so there’s no need to worry. Your job and your access (from what you’ve said) means very little compared to when it’s your child that’s at risk. Mine was under one during the outbreak - Therefore yes again I think you’re very shortsighted. And yes I know what I need to do with this group but your advice hasn’t been helpful really has it? It’s just been about being a bit judgy and that maybe you’re more open minded than me when actually I expect the latter is the case. As usual. With posts like yours.

lol “as usual with posts like yours” what? 😅🤣 night hun x

Hahahahhaha - entitled.

No I couldn't be friends with them either. This isn't one of those oh I don't feed my kids sugar or they're only wearing organic bamboo whatever the trend is these days.. This is a fundamental health issue that they're being reckless with. I couldn't be friends with people who so woefully ignore something so essential, so you're right to question it all!

To be clear - as in posts like yours - your entitled posts that reek of entitlement.

I dont want there to be any confusion :)

Babies are vulnerable From the NHS info on MMR.

MMR: “Getting vaccinated also helps protect people who cannot be vaccinated, such as unborn babies, newborn babies and anyone with a weakened immune system.”

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/mmr-vaccine/

Maybe the little girl in my son's class who is waiting for a kidney transplant whose immune system is too weak for vaccines? Her twin is fully vaccinated. Or new borns.

No not you, them.

I was talking about anyone who flies in the face of evidence-based scientific proof because they think they know better than the experts.

I fought for my life with whooping cough as a baby, then got measles as a child. If we can avoid things like this, why would you chance it?

If our kids are vaccinated, why does it matter if someone else isn't?

They aren’t smart people - they’re idiots but unfortunately you can’t change what people believe

Because some people can't be vaccinated. How would you feel if your newborn (too young for MMR) caught measles from a wilfully unvaxed child and developed lifelong complications? Especially if the original child walked away and was fine?

I would not be friends with an antivaxxer.

Ok, I wasn't taking a side, I needed the education. Thank you.

For me I avoid anti-vaxxers because it rarely stops at that. It tends to be shorthand for a plethora of other questionable views, mostly based on misinformation, and shows a lack of critical thinking. Life is too short for me to engage with that.

I couldn’t be friends with them just because of the selfishness of it all. It’s apparently too risky to vaccinate their kids but they want everyone else to vaccinate their presumably less precious children so their little darlings can benefit from herd immunity. They don’t care about the risks their kids pose to babies or those with vulnerable immune systems. Not to mention the sheer stupidity of believing in fake science. No thanks. I’d find other less selfish and more intelligent friends.

They're never smart and they never have a clear rationale.

I think ALL children should be compulsorily vaccinated unless they have a medical condition that precludes vaccination (certified by their medical consultant).

Vaccination, in my opinion, should not be a personal choice, as it protects everyone as in herd immunity.