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Should the BBC licence fee be replaced with a compulsory utility bill charge?

150 replies

FunStork · 08/07/2026 14:55

The BBC has acknowledged that the licence fee is no longer fit for purpose, and the chair of the BBC says she wants the money to be a tax that's paid out of utility bills, ensuring everyone pays it.

Do you think this is a good idea or not?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20yjjm7n87o

BBC director general Matt Brittin pictured the Studio B2 gallery at BBC Broadcasting House, London

Licence fee is 'yesterday's model', says new BBC director general Matt Brittin

Matt Brittin gives his views on the corporation's future, six weeks after taking over the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20yjjm7n87o

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SpottyAlpaca · 08/07/2026 20:40

Absolutely not. The BBC should be funded by a voluntary subscription. I would subscribe for R4 on its own, but that’s my choice.

SqueakyFromme · 08/07/2026 20:40

@XenoBitch indeed or a tax to pay peoples pet / car / house insurance, I mean where does it end? The BBC will try ANYTHING to avoid actively attempting to run a business like a business, and make a legitimate profit, they’re so used to free handouts for years it is actually outrageous, can you think of any other corporation that gets free money thrown at them - nearly 4 billion from the public ?🤬🤬

ChoosingMyOwnRandomUsername · 08/07/2026 20:43

Absolutely not. Its an outdated model and people should have the choice not to pay for the left wing biased drivel that the once highly respected broadcaster now pumps out

People already have the choice. I cancelled my TV license years ago. I get a letter every few months telling me I must take action and either buy one or declare I don't need one. A man knocked the door once and said he'd just need to pop in and check we didn't watch live tv (lol, no...he wandered away looking mildly pissed off after I refused him).

That's it. Enforcement is largely a myth. Just cancel it.

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XenoBitch · 08/07/2026 20:44

SqueakyFromme · 08/07/2026 20:40

@XenoBitch indeed or a tax to pay peoples pet / car / house insurance, I mean where does it end? The BBC will try ANYTHING to avoid actively attempting to run a business like a business, and make a legitimate profit, they’re so used to free handouts for years it is actually outrageous, can you think of any other corporation that gets free money thrown at them - nearly 4 billion from the public ?🤬🤬

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Exactly.
I would be fine with it having ads. All other channels have ads. But at about £15pm, it is a rip off compared to other services.

SqueakyFromme · 08/07/2026 20:45

@ChoosingMyOwnRandomUsername exactly, they aren’t even losing that much revenue from cancellations from people who can legally be licence free, they’re just panicking in advance of their gravy train slowly grinding down, they know their demographic is a dying breed

NotSoLittle · 08/07/2026 20:45

Sod that. I have a licence, but that's my choice. No one should be made to pay for something that isn't a necessity - I don't have to pay a special tax to support newspapers or magazines, I can just buy them or not as I want. I think they should look at advertising and cutting the pay of some of their mediocre presenters.

Littlecrake · 08/07/2026 20:56

Ridiculous. People are allowed to not watch the bbc so they should be allowed to not fund the bbc. Their news is a bit shit - but I watch it because it’s so easy to put iPlayer on my iPad and scroll back to the o’clock headlines. They are absolutely WEIRD about crap celeb culture such as strictly, Glastonbury and various reality shite, Radio 4 is generally good (except the shite that they sometimes put on at 6:30) but I absolutely detest radio 1 and radio 2. They pay crap presenters far too much and are weirdly in thrall. They have some smashing drama, but so do a lot of platforms and they do good wildlife and documentaries. I would use it the way I use the other streaming services - a few months each and cancel for a bit. Right now I’ve got Now and Disney but I also watch loads on More4 and ITVX for free with ads (I love tv). I like the idea of a national broadcaster and happy to pay (a bit) but they need to do a good job, be mindful that it’s my money they are pissing up the wall sending some imbecile presenter off somewhere. I’m not against them getting advertising revenue so long as things like “state occasions” were exempt. I don’t want a talking dog advertising Chicago town frozen pizza when the Archbishop of Canterbury is anointing King William with the oil or the PM is laying a wreath at the cenotaph.

SqueakyFromme · 08/07/2026 21:26

There is so much choice now, almost too much it feels at times, they are still stuck in a 1970’s time warp it seems to me, I haven’t watched anything on the BBC for years, I loved Happy Valley though I watched that on Netflix probably, and I used to subscribe to BritBox which is now demised

TheQuickSloth · 08/07/2026 21:28

Really interesting to read people's take on this.

It strikes me there's two things going on here: 1) should the BBC exist, and 2) if so, how should it be funded. If you don't believe there's any value in a public service broadcaster then fair enough (though I will try to convince you!), but if you do, then funding by ads or subscription just doesn't seem viable to me. Apologies for the long post but I hope someone finds it useful. Feel free to spit it back in my face 🤣

I'll start by saying the licence fee is clearly indefensible in 2026, and it's to the BBC's shame they haven't evolved it many years ago to avoid this situation. So yes, paying for it needs reform and great that's being acknowledged. Maybe it's one of the routes other countries use, maybe there's something unique. Don't know. I'd personally happily pay but I happily pay the licence fee and get huge value out of it. But that's a funding mechanism question, and it's frustrating how easily that's collapsed into whether it should continue to exist as an institution at all (which, I'll be clear, isn't always how it behaves!), by conflating what it's value with what it's 'worth'. Just my take of course.

On bringing in ads... the BBC already runs ads internationally and on things like the U channels run by its commercial arm. But first, not having ads is brilliant as a viewer, it's an obvious advantage the BBC has it would be sad to lose. But also, Britain is quite a small market really, and there's only so much ad revenue available. If the BBC takes ads, it removes that spend from other channels and weakens the whole media landscape. That's without acknowledging that ad-funded services only have to please one group: the advertisers! They don't care about anything else (I get it, you don't think the BBC do either!) So content would shift away from the entire purpose of a public service broadcaster, which is to serve audiences that commercial operators can't afford to - often older people, those who are isolate, marginalised - and that should include real diversity of thought, for example, which I also acknowledge it doesn't always do well (and has led to much of the anger against it).

On subscriptions... this idea that "it'll be fine if it's good!" You know what we have lots of? Good quality streamed TV and film from Apple, Netflix, Disney etc (who keep putting prices up of course too). That's not what the BBC should compete with. Its value is in the commercially marginal or loss-making, but important) stuff: local radio, the World Service (HUGE soft power for an ever-weakening UK), minority language content, educational content, especially some great kids stuff, proper regional news, orchestras - remember those - and the huge thing nobody seems to talk about: training much of the industry. Brits are hugely influential in the US e.g. (the stuff we're all apparently watching instead!) as producers, writers and actors, and that's because we produce lots of great talent in front of and behind the camera, and have done for years, the overwhelming majority thanks to the BBC's support. Without that, a lot of the best stuff you attribute to Netflix doesn't come to pass. And that's without looking at the partnerships that have produced shows like Bluey (so don't tell me the BBC doesn't make good stuff!). Of course others are involved, but the BBC is an important cog in the machine.

Look, of course they've made plenty of mistakes and continue to do so. Reform is needed in the funding and in the way it runs. The way they handle the main news now is baffling to everyone across the spectrum, I think, though the local stuff remains so important in a world where newspapers are closing and we're left relying on social media, which has its own issues. The fear if it goes is we end up in a worse position with half a dozen partisan channels competing for eyeballs instead of just telling us what's what (which the BBC really need to get back to).

The daft celebrity stuff that's just not needed needs to go, and obviously the handling of various serious scandals needs to be taken seriously. But those things can, you'd hope, be fixed if it can survive and properly evolve for the modern era.

But comparing the BBC to a TV service that could survive on subs or ads completely misses what its value is I think. And again, fine, if you don't think there's value in a non-commercially led broadcaster that provides significant support to the entire industry and infrastructure behind everything from lots of other TV elsewhere, schooling support, hyper-local news etc etc, then that's your call. But if we lose the BBC, it isn't coming back because the market can't support it. And I think we'll all be far poorer for it if that happens, whether we choose to watch and listen or not.

FunStork · 08/07/2026 21:53

TheQuickSloth · 08/07/2026 21:28

Really interesting to read people's take on this.

It strikes me there's two things going on here: 1) should the BBC exist, and 2) if so, how should it be funded. If you don't believe there's any value in a public service broadcaster then fair enough (though I will try to convince you!), but if you do, then funding by ads or subscription just doesn't seem viable to me. Apologies for the long post but I hope someone finds it useful. Feel free to spit it back in my face 🤣

I'll start by saying the licence fee is clearly indefensible in 2026, and it's to the BBC's shame they haven't evolved it many years ago to avoid this situation. So yes, paying for it needs reform and great that's being acknowledged. Maybe it's one of the routes other countries use, maybe there's something unique. Don't know. I'd personally happily pay but I happily pay the licence fee and get huge value out of it. But that's a funding mechanism question, and it's frustrating how easily that's collapsed into whether it should continue to exist as an institution at all (which, I'll be clear, isn't always how it behaves!), by conflating what it's value with what it's 'worth'. Just my take of course.

On bringing in ads... the BBC already runs ads internationally and on things like the U channels run by its commercial arm. But first, not having ads is brilliant as a viewer, it's an obvious advantage the BBC has it would be sad to lose. But also, Britain is quite a small market really, and there's only so much ad revenue available. If the BBC takes ads, it removes that spend from other channels and weakens the whole media landscape. That's without acknowledging that ad-funded services only have to please one group: the advertisers! They don't care about anything else (I get it, you don't think the BBC do either!) So content would shift away from the entire purpose of a public service broadcaster, which is to serve audiences that commercial operators can't afford to - often older people, those who are isolate, marginalised - and that should include real diversity of thought, for example, which I also acknowledge it doesn't always do well (and has led to much of the anger against it).

On subscriptions... this idea that "it'll be fine if it's good!" You know what we have lots of? Good quality streamed TV and film from Apple, Netflix, Disney etc (who keep putting prices up of course too). That's not what the BBC should compete with. Its value is in the commercially marginal or loss-making, but important) stuff: local radio, the World Service (HUGE soft power for an ever-weakening UK), minority language content, educational content, especially some great kids stuff, proper regional news, orchestras - remember those - and the huge thing nobody seems to talk about: training much of the industry. Brits are hugely influential in the US e.g. (the stuff we're all apparently watching instead!) as producers, writers and actors, and that's because we produce lots of great talent in front of and behind the camera, and have done for years, the overwhelming majority thanks to the BBC's support. Without that, a lot of the best stuff you attribute to Netflix doesn't come to pass. And that's without looking at the partnerships that have produced shows like Bluey (so don't tell me the BBC doesn't make good stuff!). Of course others are involved, but the BBC is an important cog in the machine.

Look, of course they've made plenty of mistakes and continue to do so. Reform is needed in the funding and in the way it runs. The way they handle the main news now is baffling to everyone across the spectrum, I think, though the local stuff remains so important in a world where newspapers are closing and we're left relying on social media, which has its own issues. The fear if it goes is we end up in a worse position with half a dozen partisan channels competing for eyeballs instead of just telling us what's what (which the BBC really need to get back to).

The daft celebrity stuff that's just not needed needs to go, and obviously the handling of various serious scandals needs to be taken seriously. But those things can, you'd hope, be fixed if it can survive and properly evolve for the modern era.

But comparing the BBC to a TV service that could survive on subs or ads completely misses what its value is I think. And again, fine, if you don't think there's value in a non-commercially led broadcaster that provides significant support to the entire industry and infrastructure behind everything from lots of other TV elsewhere, schooling support, hyper-local news etc etc, then that's your call. But if we lose the BBC, it isn't coming back because the market can't support it. And I think we'll all be far poorer for it if that happens, whether we choose to watch and listen or not.

This is a very insightful post, thanks.

I don't totally agree re ads as ITV, Sky etc have joined the broadcast party and then faced huge competition (ie YouTube) and have survived.

I think as the BBC generates more than a third of its revenue from BBC Studios, that it should expand that and dramatically cut down on its waste. No more Glastonbury, no more paying Alan Shearer half a million quid a year, no more expensive dramas that nobody watches, no more buying drag shows from America that nobody watches, no more £30k per episode per person for Have I Got News For You.

The decades of quality programmes it provided and now sells should be invested in things like local radio, local and national news, and much smaller amount of programming. The journalists should also be massively reduced - no more sending three reporters to spend a week covering a man having sex change surgery in Russia.

That way people can keep what they like about the BBC.

That's what I would do if I was DG anyway!

OP posts:
Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 08/07/2026 22:00

The BBC have got away with all sorts because they get money handed to them. It is a shame.

Vaxtable · 08/07/2026 22:01

No. The BBC should become a commercial station now like all the other channels/tv companies

5MinuteArgument · 08/07/2026 22:13

If the BBC hadn't parted company with common sense, I would've been interested in saving the licence fee or transferring it to taxation. But over the years they've become complacent, arrogant and detached from the struggles of ordinary people.

Portakalkedi · 08/07/2026 22:26

Not in a billion years. I would strongly object to this as I also have no interest in BBC output, and have not for many years. Clearly needs to move to a subscription model, but I guess they're afraid of how many will not pay for this.

Ginnyweasleyswand · 08/07/2026 23:28

I just think the current BBC is so corrupt, so unaccountable, they've supported and enabled so many paedophiles and their attitude to child sex abuse is incredibly dodgy - I once complained about their describing children trafficked into sex work i.e. raped and abused as 'sex workers' and got word salad back. They didn't care about those children at all.

They also described women in Afghanistan as suffering 'mental health challenges' with not that much about the total removal of human rights from them, and their being treated worse than animals, without even basic things like education or medical care, or being able to leave the house on their own or talk to each other. It's not a mental health crisis when you're being tortured on a daily basis. It's despair based on total removal of freedom and human rights.

You can't believe anything you read from them, I always have to fact check. They describe male rapists as women and with she/her pronouns so even the most basic reality is distorted.

And the way they've gone after vulnerable people over the license fee and chased them via strong-arm debt collecting agencies, resulting in thousands in fines, bankrupting people and driving them to despair is frankly as if they're criminals in style. It's completely indefensible, as are all the women sent to prison in the past (often to the detriment of their children, who relied on them) for failure to pay the TV license over the years. The idea they are in any way the champion of or of benefit to vulnerable groups is laughable. They're the powerful predator in charge.

The blackbelt barrister on youtube is very good on BBC licensing's harassment tactics. It's David and Goliath, particularly in relation to vulnerable elderly people who generally just pay because they're scared.

This video goes into great detail about all the misleading things (imo deliberately terrifying falsehoods) in TV licensing letters designed to deceive people into being scared and coughing up for the license fee, even if they don't need it. It's intimidation deliberately to extort money. At the end he says that the first thing that needs reform if they are to continue is to stop the deliberate fearmongering and harassment of people in this way.

Decent organisations don't do this. I see no evidence they won't just become like the national broadcaster in 1984 if they're gifted a load of tax from people who don't want to pay it.

Aluna · 09/07/2026 00:12

All the other channels charge subscriptions, why not BBC?

Sartre · 09/07/2026 07:07

It should be a subscription service like Netflix, I’ve said this for years. I would pay for it but I don’t think people should have to pay for a licence and be PROSECUTED if they don’t just to watch TV, even if they never ever watch the beeb.

TheNimbleCoralBear · 09/07/2026 07:46

Absolutely not. I don't watch TV and haven't for years so I'm not paying for something I don't want or use. TBH I think the BBC is an outdated model now and times have moved on - I don't know any young people who watch TV now. Why on earth should we be forced to support something so unimportant?

The misleading and threatening letters demanding that I buy a TV licence are sufficient on their own to discredit them - can you imagine any other service provider being allowed to behave like that? They should have been prohibited years ago along with the "enforcement officers".

If people want to watch the BBC then they should subscribe to it and wanting to add an extra charge to already sky high utility bills really shows how out of touch they are. Just another £15 a month - FFS!

TheQuickSloth · 09/07/2026 09:26

FunStork · 08/07/2026 21:53

This is a very insightful post, thanks.

I don't totally agree re ads as ITV, Sky etc have joined the broadcast party and then faced huge competition (ie YouTube) and have survived.

I think as the BBC generates more than a third of its revenue from BBC Studios, that it should expand that and dramatically cut down on its waste. No more Glastonbury, no more paying Alan Shearer half a million quid a year, no more expensive dramas that nobody watches, no more buying drag shows from America that nobody watches, no more £30k per episode per person for Have I Got News For You.

The decades of quality programmes it provided and now sells should be invested in things like local radio, local and national news, and much smaller amount of programming. The journalists should also be massively reduced - no more sending three reporters to spend a week covering a man having sex change surgery in Russia.

That way people can keep what they like about the BBC.

That's what I would do if I was DG anyway!

To give a scale of the challenge, the ad revenue for all TV in the UK last year was around £5.2bn (and its falling, that's essentially why ITV has just been sold to Sky as there is a real struggle to survive in the long term on that model too), so to replace the license fee would require the BBC to take 70% of all ad revenue! Doing so would obviously decimate ITV, Sky, Ch4 etc in the process. But if BBC took a proportional ad take (it's roughly 1/3 of viewing on TV), it would still damage the others but only bring in 40% or so of costs which would necessitate cuts that would mean they couldn't pull in that number anyway so it would spiral down to nothing eventually (numbers rough, but give the gist).

Of course the argument is that there could be a blend of subs and ads or something else, but nobody wants to pay and get ads, and for a service that wouldn't be what it is now which clearly many are not happy with (though 50m people still watched BBC TV on last available figures, so it seems unlikely that so many people don't know anyone that watches TV let alone the BBC... In the last two years the most watched shows on TV were Gavin and Stacey (~19m) and Traitors (~15m) both on BBC One...)

Also worth noting that while BBC Studios has been very successful, the revenue of £2bn+ only delivered £200m of profit that 'offsets' the licence fee pot. To be able to fund the activities it does now, by scaling up, would require the BBC to be bigger than Netflix - a global operation with only one focus! So it's very tough to see a way through on any of these I think.

That all said, to do that and not just keel over, the BBC - and government - needs to be very clear, and probably quite bold in determining what it IS and what it does why is should be paid for and valued.

It's clear from comments here and elsewhere that people just see it as "another TV platform" which baffles me, but it's plain to see this is the case and needs to be handled. That's on the BBC to make the case better for it's local journalism, educational content, training influence, soft power, audio/radio content etc etc which many seem to overlook, but is what will be lost along with the TV.

It's also got to stop scoring own goals - e.g. as mentioned by others, things like overreach on the 'criminalisation' of the TV licence, and silly money on silly things. That said, the way they've handled the World Cup (not sending lots of people to the US/Canda/Mexico) points in the right direction and proves much of it makes very little difference (ITV sitting in front of New York for games 1000s miles away is no different really for a lot of money!)

As you say, the goal has to be for the BBC to keep the stuff that people like and/or that's positive for the UK as a society - but I think clear, to me at least, that the license fee, ad revenue nor subscriptions (or another commercial model) can do that, so alternatives are needed. I'd like to see them hold a proper citizen's assembly on it, which I think has been proposed and of course the new government (i.e. Andy Burnham's cabinet) will have a huge say too. But it's crunch time for sure.

OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 09/07/2026 09:28

No chance; I don’t watch it,I don’t pay for it.

Should be voluntary subscription, but it won’t be as it wouldn’t survive.

5MinuteArgument · 09/07/2026 09:43

TheNimbleCoralBear · 09/07/2026 07:46

Absolutely not. I don't watch TV and haven't for years so I'm not paying for something I don't want or use. TBH I think the BBC is an outdated model now and times have moved on - I don't know any young people who watch TV now. Why on earth should we be forced to support something so unimportant?

The misleading and threatening letters demanding that I buy a TV licence are sufficient on their own to discredit them - can you imagine any other service provider being allowed to behave like that? They should have been prohibited years ago along with the "enforcement officers".

If people want to watch the BBC then they should subscribe to it and wanting to add an extra charge to already sky high utility bills really shows how out of touch they are. Just another £15 a month - FFS!

Yes, it's so entitled. People who work for the BBC really think they're the centre of the universe. Let it be subscription only, that would be a true test of their value.

EasternStandard · 09/07/2026 09:59

5MinuteArgument · 09/07/2026 09:43

Yes, it's so entitled. People who work for the BBC really think they're the centre of the universe. Let it be subscription only, that would be a true test of their value.

Yes most other people in the media are tested on whether people actually want their content. Clearly fewer people do for the BBC.

5MinuteArgument · 09/07/2026 10:39

EasternStandard · 09/07/2026 09:59

Yes most other people in the media are tested on whether people actually want their content. Clearly fewer people do for the BBC.

Yes, and I heard the govt are going to make it so that when people search for something on the Internet, content from 'trusted sources' like the BBC will come up first.

Face recognition digital id, now this. Crazy!

AllaFieraDellEst · 09/07/2026 11:21

In addition to some of the other excellent and reasonable arguments put forward by other PPs on this thread, the BBC is institutionally antisemitic.

It will never, ever receive a single penny of my money.

The BBC were referred to Ofcom over this example - https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/dozens-attend-anti-bbc-protest-over-chanukah-bus-attack-coverage/amp/

Since October 7th things have only got worse for Jews in this country: the BBC, Guardian et al are part of the problem.

The BBC can go to hell.

5MinuteArgument · 09/07/2026 11:31

AllaFieraDellEst · 09/07/2026 11:21

In addition to some of the other excellent and reasonable arguments put forward by other PPs on this thread, the BBC is institutionally antisemitic.

It will never, ever receive a single penny of my money.

The BBC were referred to Ofcom over this example - https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/dozens-attend-anti-bbc-protest-over-chanukah-bus-attack-coverage/amp/

Since October 7th things have only got worse for Jews in this country: the BBC, Guardian et al are part of the problem.

The BBC can go to hell.

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Yes, agree. For an organisation that will twist itself into pretzels in order to be seen as antiracist, to be antisemitic is crazy. Shows how far they have fallen.