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Keeping a UK Council property for life even though you no longer live in the UK

718 replies

Vintlet · 12/06/2026 14:42

This story has just been released
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyxkeny8x6o
It seems so unfair given the lack of social housing in the uk that the First Lady of Sierra Leone expected to be allowed to keep her London social housing property as a pied a terre. Surely we cannot be expected to house the world. No one in authority would have realised given that she was still paying the rent if she hadn’t boasted about keeping it on a radio interview. I wonder how many people keep and sublet uk council properties when they no longer have a right to keep it.

Headshot of a woman wearing a red headwrap and matching top which are patterned with green flowers. She has a gold necklace and earrings.

Fatima Bio: Council takes possession of property linked to politician

Southwark Council in south London takes possession of a property linked to Sierra Leone's Fatima Bio.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyxkeny8x6o

OP posts:
ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/06/2026 20:19

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2026 20:08

The rent that was due.

I don’t think she should have kept the council house after it was no longer her primary residence, but I don’t think it was completely accurate to talk about poor struggling taxpayers paying for it, as if it were free to her.

‘Poor struggling taxpayers’?

You know what, they are, poor and struggling with ever increasing tax and NI and COl.

There are some real struggling people out there, taxpayers, who subsidise the rent for this woman.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for this..

KateSixer · 12/06/2026 20:20

BoredZelda · 12/06/2026 15:00

This is why I have the very unpopular opinion that council tenancies should be 5 years in length and every renewal that comes up you have to re-apply and be checked that you are still entitled to live there. Maximum of 3 tenancy periods per person.

I do like this idea.

But it washes up against the view that some people have that the benefits and subsidies they have should be permanent rather than a helping hand out of poverty.

Unfortunately many people are not aspirational and don't need to be because we don't have rules like this.

XenoBitch · 12/06/2026 20:20

Vanillaicelatte · 12/06/2026 20:17

My DH bought his under the right to buy years ago
he’s not got a mortgage on it
he’s perfectly entitled to rent it out or leave it empty

He owns it so can do what he wants.
This thread is not abut him.

Backedoffhackedoff · 12/06/2026 20:21

Allseeingallknowing · 12/06/2026 20:14

Is it legal to sublet a council house. It seems wrong

The owns it? It’s not a council house

thestudio · 12/06/2026 20:22

Imanexcellentdrivercharliebabbit · 12/06/2026 14:46

Probably wrong but my daughter has one and we intend on keeping it in the family cone hell or high water even though her household income is now a far cry from when she got it as a single mum at 20

If she ever bought with her husband -which is likely- and moved on she would succede the tenancy to one of her brothers first and them the same and so on I used to work in social housing and stock is like hens teeth around here so we are hanging onto it for the family no matter what.

Edited

That's shameful. Those properties are not meant for people like you, you're stealing.

Backedoffhackedoff · 12/06/2026 20:22

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/06/2026 20:19

‘Poor struggling taxpayers’?

You know what, they are, poor and struggling with ever increasing tax and NI and COl.

There are some real struggling people out there, taxpayers, who subsidise the rent for this woman.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for this..

Tax payers doesn’t subsidise her rent.

common misconception. Social rents aren’t subsidised. They are regulated rental values. Not subsidised.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/06/2026 20:23

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/06/2026 20:19

‘Poor struggling taxpayers’?

You know what, they are, poor and struggling with ever increasing tax and NI and COl.

There are some real struggling people out there, taxpayers, who subsidise the rent for this woman.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for this..

I mean, don’t you ever think there are some real people paying for everything?

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2026 20:24

Backedoffhackedoff · 12/06/2026 20:22

Tax payers doesn’t subsidise her rent.

common misconception. Social rents aren’t subsidised. They are regulated rental values. Not subsidised.

This. It’s such a persistent myth.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/06/2026 20:26

Backedoffhackedoff · 12/06/2026 20:22

Tax payers doesn’t subsidise her rent.

common misconception. Social rents aren’t subsidised. They are regulated rental values. Not subsidised.

Do you agree with the ‘poor struggling taxpayer’ mocking ad well?

RubyPowderPuff · 12/06/2026 20:26

XenoBitch · 12/06/2026 20:03

Private rent = paying someone else's mortgage.
Why should that be the end goal?

Do you realise that when you take on a social/council place, you have bare walls and floors... you have to get new carpets, flooring, wallpaper etc.

I can't see anything wrong with paying private rent if you can afford it. In this case you really don't need a council house and could pass it on to someone else who is unable to pay for a private rental.

Or, if you feel that you are paying someone else's mortgage, then this should be motivation to get onto the housing ladder yourself.

Backedoffhackedoff · 12/06/2026 20:27

RubyPowderPuff · 12/06/2026 20:26

I can't see anything wrong with paying private rent if you can afford it. In this case you really don't need a council house and could pass it on to someone else who is unable to pay for a private rental.

Or, if you feel that you are paying someone else's mortgage, then this should be motivation to get onto the housing ladder yourself.

It would be better if everyone paid social rent though wouldn’t it? Woop woop.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/06/2026 20:27

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2026 20:24

This. It’s such a persistent myth.

Hello Toe!

Long time no see!

otnot · 12/06/2026 20:27

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2026 19:20

The former council houses where I live are solidly built on huge plots. They literally never appear on the open market because they’re so sought after they sell by word of mouth.

The ones I'm thinking of have issues with subsidence, asbestos, antiquated plumbing and electrics... though of course it may well be it's just that those are the ones that haven't been bought as they're a bit crap, and maybe the ones that were any good are all long gone. But we also seem to have quite a lot of new developments which is probably why they seem keen to get rid of the old ones. Especially as the rent's so much more on the new ones, and they can't be bought. I do think higher rent and no right to buy is a much better system so I'm surprised that other areas don't seem to be doing the same.

XenoBitch · 12/06/2026 20:28

RubyPowderPuff · 12/06/2026 20:26

I can't see anything wrong with paying private rent if you can afford it. In this case you really don't need a council house and could pass it on to someone else who is unable to pay for a private rental.

Or, if you feel that you are paying someone else's mortgage, then this should be motivation to get onto the housing ladder yourself.

Ha, because everyoneis capable of getting on the housing ladder 🙄

And not many people can pay private rents and also save to buy.

OneThreadOnlybyN · 12/06/2026 20:30

MsGreying · 12/06/2026 15:30

Housing officers have a responsibility. The estate caretakers were very good at spotting a "giro drop".

If benefits were paid at the post office each week we would have

  • more community
  • more social awareness of the elderly and their needs
  • less thieves stealing benefits
  • more post offices and all the benefits they have.

For the last 30 years there's been a push to pay benefits to bank accounts. This means its been easier than ever to actually rip the UK off.

Would you be including disability benefits in that?

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2026 20:31

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 12/06/2026 20:19

‘Poor struggling taxpayers’?

You know what, they are, poor and struggling with ever increasing tax and NI and COl.

There are some real struggling people out there, taxpayers, who subsidise the rent for this woman.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself for this..

Thanks, I’m not.

Like I said. I don’t think she should have kept the flat.

I don’t know whether the level of rent paid on council houses covers the cost of repairs or other direct costs to the council, ie to what extent taxpayers in any area are covering those costs, or if the rent at “council levels” does cover it.

ETA poor struggling taxpayers was a phrase in the post I quoted. Not a mockery.

Allseeingallknowing · 12/06/2026 20:31

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2026 19:59

The wife of a rich dictator with a real state empire keeping a council flat while we (poor struggling tax payers) pay for her London accomodation is absolutely vile, her skin colour is irrelevant.

Fatima Bio paid rent on the house.

So what? It’s still wrong!

OneThreadOnlybyN · 12/06/2026 20:34

Lightuptheroom · 12/06/2026 15:33

It's not easy to pass tenancies on (in most areas) as the housing associations don't allow more than one succession. There are still council owned properties (getting.less) that don't have any such rules but her brother would still have to meet the requirements for living there, so be aware what he would.qualify for as its unusual for any social housing to allow under occupancy at the transfer of a tenancy. I suspect it will be harder than that poster imagines to 'keep it in the family ' particularly as your.daughter won't want her name on the rent etc still if she's buying a house

She used to work for them (supposedly anyway) so I'm sure she knows how to go about scamming the system. It's probably how her daughter got the house in the first place.

Backedoffhackedoff · 12/06/2026 20:34

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2026 20:31

Thanks, I’m not.

Like I said. I don’t think she should have kept the flat.

I don’t know whether the level of rent paid on council houses covers the cost of repairs or other direct costs to the council, ie to what extent taxpayers in any area are covering those costs, or if the rent at “council levels” does cover it.

ETA poor struggling taxpayers was a phrase in the post I quoted. Not a mockery.

Edited

Tax payers don’t subsidise social housing at all. The rents are set at a level that covers the costs you mention

Persephonia1966 · 12/06/2026 20:35

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2026 19:59

The wife of a rich dictator with a real state empire keeping a council flat while we (poor struggling tax payers) pay for her London accomodation is absolutely vile, her skin colour is irrelevant.

Fatima Bio paid rent on the house.

Is he a dictator? Im not sure he is
Not that that makes the council house situation any better.

Backedoffhackedoff · 12/06/2026 20:36

OneThreadOnlybyN · 12/06/2026 20:34

She used to work for them (supposedly anyway) so I'm sure she knows how to go about scamming the system. It's probably how her daughter got the house in the first place.

You can’t really scam a legal contract though can you? It’s not like you just persuade them to let you go against it

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2026 20:36

Backedoffhackedoff · 12/06/2026 20:34

Tax payers don’t subsidise social housing at all. The rents are set at a level that covers the costs you mention

Council housing accounts are kept separate from the general account. There’s no cross subsidy at all.

SheilaFentiman · 12/06/2026 20:38

Backedoffhackedoff · 12/06/2026 20:34

Tax payers don’t subsidise social housing at all. The rents are set at a level that covers the costs you mention

Thanks for clarifying - I thought so but wasn’t 100% sure

schooloflostsocks · 12/06/2026 20:39

@XenoBitch I agree, where are all the threads full of outrage that there is so little affordable rental these days? Why should people aspire to be homeowners or to pay for someone else’s mortgage? My grandparents and their entire community were proud council tenants. Everyone on their estate that I know of worked and they were proud of their work and their small but well kept homes. It was a sustainable way of living. All destroyed by Thatcher and now we seem to have even forgotten that was what social housing was… you didn’t need to pass on the property to your children because they’d already have been housed by the council just because they put their name down for a house. Not because they were desperate or unemployed.

SP2024 · 12/06/2026 20:39

Shuffletoesxtreme · 12/06/2026 14:47

You can only pass on the tenancy once to someone who can prove that the address is their home.

It’s more than that. The localism act means it can only be spouses that can succeed (and you have to die to be succeeding to a tenancy). You can assign it, but same criteria for who is eligible. The PP thinks they’re going to do this but in reality it’s probably not going to happen.

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