Media and politicians lied about the Dundee girl who brandished an axe against immigrant man

[Fillies4DeclanRice]

Remember last year when that video went viral of a 12-year-old girl in Dundee waving a knife and axe?

The papers and lots of politicians absolutely piled in on her. She was branded everything from a “feral little racist” to a dangerous thug. Police initially put out a statement that basically made it sound like she was the problem. Some politicians and commentators were quick to jump on it as yet another example of “toxic white working-class girls” or whatever the narrative was at the time.

Elon Musk called it out at the time, saying it looked like the authorities and media were protecting the actual adults involved and demonising the children. He got piled-on by the SNP for “interfering” and “spreading misinformation”. Several posters on Mumsnet blamed Nigel Farage.

Well… fast forward to this week. Ilia Belov (22) has just been found guilty of assaulting the girl and threatening other young girls aged 12 to 14. He was also accused of making sexual remarks to them. His sister pleaded guilty to assaulting one of the girls by dragging her by the hair and punching her.

The girl only pulled the weapons after she (and other girls) had been assaulted. She was defending herself and her friends.

So the grown man (and his sister) sexually harassed and physically attacked a group of schoolgirls… and the initial coverage made the child look like the villain.

The police have now issued a statement saying their initial statement last year "did not fully reflect" what actually happened.

This is exactly why trust in the media / the establishment is on the floor. They were so desperate to push a certain narrative that they couldn’t even wait for the facts. Same old story we’ve seen with grooming gangs, riots coverage, etc.

Am I the only one who is livid about this? It’s the children who get failed every single time.

Oh there's already a thread about this:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5541394-to-let-you-know-the-axe-and-machete-girl-was-defending-herself-against-her-now-convicted-attacker?page=1

Yes I was going to point out that there is already a thread about this.

We don't really need another thread filled with racist posters actially defending children going round carrying offensive weapons do we?

I certainly don't think we need two threads of leftie apologists who would excuse absolutely anything if it was caused by someone who happened to be an immigrant because of some bizarre ethnocentric view that all other countries in the world are filled with innocent angels whose life is infinitely worse and more traumatic and therefore anything they do is a result of that.

I think your prejudices are interfering with your comprehension and intellectual processing abilities.
What kind of society thinks it's a good idea for children to go around armed with bladed weapons?

Every time something like this happens, I think, people can’t possibly defend the perps here, and here we are. They always do. 🫠

Strange. That’s exactly what I thought about you. That your prejudices are interfering with your reasoning.

No one is suggesting kids SHOULD carry weapons. They are suggesting she was forced into it for survival.
A reasonable person would be able to see the difference?

I don't know what prejudices you are accusing me of. I admit to prejudice against racism and I am prejudiced against violence

I'm sorry but how can someone be " forced" into carrying a machete in their belt? It's seriously concerning that people are actually defending children carrying weapons.

You must have heard of the pupils that have been murdered in UK schools by fellow pupils who have taken knives into schools. Are you saying they were also forced into carrying weapons? Are you justifying knife violence perpetrated by children?

Yes theres already a thread where people are falling over themselves to make out she was carrying the weapons as she didnt want to be the next gang rape victim and that this was some sort of sustained habitual interaction she was suffering from the perpetrator

Theres no evidence of that at all.

The right person was prosecuted and convicted, everyone agrees that

Most people also see the harm and the destruction in children carrying weapons, particularly one so young and so casually, tucked in her waistband.

Some woolly headed types seem to think that its justified that kids carry weapons and really dont see anything wrong with it.

Most people see the threat of multiple incidents of migrant men intimidating and assaulting little girls all over the country.

most people do not think children should HAVE to carry weapons, but I think many people are more concerned with WHY she felt the need to.

and why so many posters are more concerned with a child trying to defend herself than the fact that she felt the need to act so drastically in the first place.

I'm not racist. I was raped by three white men when I was 12 and I wish I had had something to defend myself with.

I'm so sorry about your experience. Horrendous for you.

What an utterly vile post. Your insensitivity is incredibly distressing. You are talking about desperate children. You are weaponising desperate children to have a go at those upset about the situation. You need to look at yourself for a moment.

you are being utterly toxic.

Thanks op I didn't know about this
Just done some more reading

We need to remember that the police wanted to make out that Henry Novak was also a racist aggressor.

It was reported in the times that an anonymous policeman has come out and said they have had politically charged inappropriate training and no one can openly call it out because they are afraid of being called racist.

You are weaponising desperate children to have a go at those upset about the situation..
I don't even know what this means.
I do not want to live in a society where it is considered acceptable and excusable for children to go around carrying weapons
Of course the behaviour of men - of all ethnicity and race - in our society towards women and girls needs to be addressed. But that doesn't excuse the fact no one , and certainly no children, should be walking the streets armed with knives and machetes, or any other offensive weapons.

1. Sophie was not walking around with weapons.

2. She grabbed the weapons after Belov scared her, and we know this fear was bad because a grown ass woman witnessing it was scared too.

3. Her actions were to save her thirteen year old sister who was lying bleeding on the ground after being punched and kicked two adults. An act to save others is morally good.

4. The criminals had not stopped hitting Sophie's sister until Sophie showed the weapons.

4b) I dont know how many boots to the head kills a thirteen year old girl, dont want to know, but Sophie's actions stopped the hits which is the best thing Sophie could have done in this situation.

5. No rational person could believe that an untrained twelve year old girl in front of an adult male was a serious threat even with a kitchen knife and a blunt hatchet...and Belov's actions confirm this as he laughed at Sophie, taunted her, and filmed her until police arrived.

6. Were Sophie's actions and decisions wrong in some abstract moral sense? Plenty of moral systems would see Sophie's actions as selfless and a moral good or even fully morally justifiable.

7. Was it a genius move by Sophie? You are God damn right it was.

Did Sophie want to do this, did she want to be in some sort of possible life or death situation? Of course not but she was placed in this situation by a now convicted sex offender, not by her own choice or own actions.

Sophie correctly identified a possible life threatening situation involving a violent sex offender and a second violent felon. Sophie took smart positive action to protect herself and other people and this level of awesome cannot be taught.

Sophie is morally good.