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Really interesting report on NEETs. What do you think happens next?

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SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 23/05/2026 13:44

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/may/23/uk-young-people-workplace-anxiety-alan-milburn

Such an interesting report by Alan Millburn in why the UK has so many young NEETs.

' “[Young people] are different, not worse, not lazier, not less intelligent. They have grown up in a digital world that has rewired how they communicate, form relationships and manage stress. They have fewer experiences of workplaces and they present with higher levels of anxiety and depression.”

Does this ring true to you? And what are the next few years going to look like?

I personally can't see any reason for the government not to ban social media for under 16s in this context.

UK’s ‘anxious generation’ of young people struggling to adapt to workplace

Former Labour health secretary Alan Milburn says firms must offer more flexibility and mental health support

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2026/may/23/uk-young-people-workplace-anxiety-alan-milburn

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EarthlyNightshade · 23/05/2026 17:47

This is interesting and it is interesting to read what people think.
I have two DC 17-19, both in education (one finishing next month), both with part time jobs, but neither with secure futures as such. So I see this as quite relevant to us as at any moment they could be NEET.

2dogsandabudgie · 23/05/2026 17:50

I also wonder about the effect of video games and anxiety.

I'm in my 60s and I recently downloaded a game to play on my phone which was pairing items up against the clock. As it got harder I found my anxiety levels rising as I tried to get to the next level. I deleted the game because I realised how anxious I was getting and thought this is silly.

Do teenagers playing some of these war games like call of duty etc where they're trying to stay 'alive' experience anxiety and if they're playing it daily does that have a longterm effect on their anxiety levels?

gracioushoratio · 23/05/2026 18:05

I wish that there was Govt funding for young people to have places on Outward Bound Programmes (or similar) that run for 3 weeks+. Can't help but think that a supported programme like that would help no end. The chance to experience time in the outdoors, natural beauty, adventure, challenge and the chance to mix with other young people. All good.

FernFaery · 23/05/2026 18:17

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 23/05/2026 13:54

@Octavia64I totally empathize. My son isn't old enough yet but I cannot envisage him ever being able to get and hold down a job, let alone one that pays enough to live!
I really worry about what happens to this generation, and whether it is a blip, or a downward trend.

Why not OP?

It’s all really worrying and complex. We have several children in our wider family who will probably never live fully independently or be in meaningful employment. Yet they have normal IQs and are able bodied. None of them have been raised by pandering parents. But I think they’ve suffered from ‘2020s syndrome’ as I call it where social media, lack of in person connection, constant ‘anxieties’ which are contagious in their cohort, and a general perception of themselves as children who should be provided and cared for long past what would’ve been expected 20 years ago, has rendered them helpless and frankly very selfish.

We took the view sometime around 2010-2015 that under 18s are ‘children’, and should be treated as such, and that parents are basically their master and creator who are completely and utterly responsible for their every mood and happiness. It’s almost expected now for parents to run themselves into the ground and deplete themselves ‘supporting’ their teenage children. They panic over everything - they see what used to be ‘teenage nonsense’ as something seriously indicative of a mental health issue, and dive into therapy/‘caring’ in such a way that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and the kid believes they’re unusual and different and somehow in need of protection.

Then there’s the anger. I work in crime and my colleagues and I were discussing lately what an absolute explosion we have seen in random acts of extreme anger and violence from otherwise unremarkable young men (aka the ones who don’t have a history of MH or crime, haven’t been in care and so on). Random serious attacks on passersby, big acts of criminal damage, all in a ‘red mist’ style where they just lash out in a way that is actually terrifying, citing their ‘uncontrollable rage’ which they’re not sure why they have. I’ve never known teens and young people so angry and full of rage, for no reason.

I suspect all of the above is because they simply don’t have normal childhoods any more. They don’t play out. They don’t get bored. They don’t get creative or make things out of boxes. They don’t have family meals round a table. They don’t go to church, or have a community, or spend time with relatives and wider friend groups building social skills, or have part time jobs, or hang out in town with their friends just spending time together. They just spend their lives on screens, or in a highly structured activity environment, and when their stressed out brain eventually reacts they end up introspecting in therapy and BOOM, they’re neurodivergent and now have a final diagnosis which explains why they ‘can’t’ hold down a job or do anything for themselves.

It’s all so sad. We really need a societal conversation about what a normal childhood should look like and how important seemingly banal activities and exchanges are. I feel sorry for them, it’s not their fault, it’s ours.

Regulus · 23/05/2026 18:20

ladyrinths · 23/05/2026 13:47

How many of these 1m are 16/17 as I wouldn’t expect them to be in work tbh. The jobs I did at that age don’t really exist now.

I don't agree with this.

The majority of 15/16 year olds I know are working, and especially the ones that don't get an allowance.
The ones that aren't have helicopter parents, or have parents that approach the employers.

(I work in a large MAT, even more of our sixth form work)

FernFaery · 23/05/2026 18:26

2dogsandabudgie · 23/05/2026 17:50

I also wonder about the effect of video games and anxiety.

I'm in my 60s and I recently downloaded a game to play on my phone which was pairing items up against the clock. As it got harder I found my anxiety levels rising as I tried to get to the next level. I deleted the game because I realised how anxious I was getting and thought this is silly.

Do teenagers playing some of these war games like call of duty etc where they're trying to stay 'alive' experience anxiety and if they're playing it daily does that have a longterm effect on their anxiety levels?

I have a personal theory that a lot of this ‘anxiety’ is screen withdrawal syndrome hence why they only feel it at school, when they can’t be on their phone, and ‘use screens to regulate themselves’

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 23/05/2026 18:33

FernFaery · 23/05/2026 18:17

Why not OP?

It’s all really worrying and complex. We have several children in our wider family who will probably never live fully independently or be in meaningful employment. Yet they have normal IQs and are able bodied. None of them have been raised by pandering parents. But I think they’ve suffered from ‘2020s syndrome’ as I call it where social media, lack of in person connection, constant ‘anxieties’ which are contagious in their cohort, and a general perception of themselves as children who should be provided and cared for long past what would’ve been expected 20 years ago, has rendered them helpless and frankly very selfish.

We took the view sometime around 2010-2015 that under 18s are ‘children’, and should be treated as such, and that parents are basically their master and creator who are completely and utterly responsible for their every mood and happiness. It’s almost expected now for parents to run themselves into the ground and deplete themselves ‘supporting’ their teenage children. They panic over everything - they see what used to be ‘teenage nonsense’ as something seriously indicative of a mental health issue, and dive into therapy/‘caring’ in such a way that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and the kid believes they’re unusual and different and somehow in need of protection.

Then there’s the anger. I work in crime and my colleagues and I were discussing lately what an absolute explosion we have seen in random acts of extreme anger and violence from otherwise unremarkable young men (aka the ones who don’t have a history of MH or crime, haven’t been in care and so on). Random serious attacks on passersby, big acts of criminal damage, all in a ‘red mist’ style where they just lash out in a way that is actually terrifying, citing their ‘uncontrollable rage’ which they’re not sure why they have. I’ve never known teens and young people so angry and full of rage, for no reason.

I suspect all of the above is because they simply don’t have normal childhoods any more. They don’t play out. They don’t get bored. They don’t get creative or make things out of boxes. They don’t have family meals round a table. They don’t go to church, or have a community, or spend time with relatives and wider friend groups building social skills, or have part time jobs, or hang out in town with their friends just spending time together. They just spend their lives on screens, or in a highly structured activity environment, and when their stressed out brain eventually reacts they end up introspecting in therapy and BOOM, they’re neurodivergent and now have a final diagnosis which explains why they ‘can’t’ hold down a job or do anything for themselves.

It’s all so sad. We really need a societal conversation about what a normal childhood should look like and how important seemingly banal activities and exchanges are. I feel sorry for them, it’s not their fault, it’s ours.

Really interesting post, and I definitely agree with most of it.
Worrying what you have seen with teen boys and uncontrollable rage, I wonder what the root of that is?

In my case my DC has moderate autism. For him this looks like social isolation, poor communication skill and lack of exec functioning. If even socially capable, NT teens can't find work I'm not holding out much hope!
(Was diagnosed at 3 years old, no social media allowed, as much positive socialisation as he can cope with - so not loads!)

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RubyPowderPuff · 23/05/2026 18:38

Well, we put our children through an education system where everyone is a winner- primary school.

Then, at secondary school they are pushed and prodded onto acamics in order to attend university. Exept many DC just don't receive the grades for A Level or university courses. At this point they have spent years of being told everyone can achieve this. Exept they couldn't...
Some with online gaming, quick instant gratification in order to win. Very little in terms of actually loosing. Even if you run out of lives there is some gaming progress saved. Or you simply buy more lives, ammunition, coins
And then they enter the real world workplace where their performance is under scrutiny, there is very little space for mistakes and definitely no talk about being a winner, being dished out instant gratification or the ability to get more lives.

FernFaery · 23/05/2026 18:40

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 23/05/2026 18:33

Really interesting post, and I definitely agree with most of it.
Worrying what you have seen with teen boys and uncontrollable rage, I wonder what the root of that is?

In my case my DC has moderate autism. For him this looks like social isolation, poor communication skill and lack of exec functioning. If even socially capable, NT teens can't find work I'm not holding out much hope!
(Was diagnosed at 3 years old, no social media allowed, as much positive socialisation as he can cope with - so not loads!)

Hard to say, if I were a betting woman I would say men are suffering because they no longer gain power and respect purely for ‘being man’ in the way they used to. 40 years ago, an average looking and averagely intelligent man could leave school, walk into a job, which would be enough to pay for a modest life for a small family with a SAHM, and be ‘king of his castle’. They could also say/do what they liked with regards to sexual jokes, sexual harassment and so on. Now they can’t do any of that, because of equality laws and their unfair advantages have been taken away. They have to compete with women for jobs. Rather than improve themselves or accept fair is fair, they’re furious and have high levels of anger towards women and ‘illegal immigrants’ (hence the flocking to Reform and the Manosphere).

I don’t think they would actively realise the above, I think it’s passive.

As the old saying goes, when you’re used to an advantage, equality feels like oppression.

WhitegreeNcandle · 23/05/2026 18:42

FernFaery · 23/05/2026 18:17

Why not OP?

It’s all really worrying and complex. We have several children in our wider family who will probably never live fully independently or be in meaningful employment. Yet they have normal IQs and are able bodied. None of them have been raised by pandering parents. But I think they’ve suffered from ‘2020s syndrome’ as I call it where social media, lack of in person connection, constant ‘anxieties’ which are contagious in their cohort, and a general perception of themselves as children who should be provided and cared for long past what would’ve been expected 20 years ago, has rendered them helpless and frankly very selfish.

We took the view sometime around 2010-2015 that under 18s are ‘children’, and should be treated as such, and that parents are basically their master and creator who are completely and utterly responsible for their every mood and happiness. It’s almost expected now for parents to run themselves into the ground and deplete themselves ‘supporting’ their teenage children. They panic over everything - they see what used to be ‘teenage nonsense’ as something seriously indicative of a mental health issue, and dive into therapy/‘caring’ in such a way that it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and the kid believes they’re unusual and different and somehow in need of protection.

Then there’s the anger. I work in crime and my colleagues and I were discussing lately what an absolute explosion we have seen in random acts of extreme anger and violence from otherwise unremarkable young men (aka the ones who don’t have a history of MH or crime, haven’t been in care and so on). Random serious attacks on passersby, big acts of criminal damage, all in a ‘red mist’ style where they just lash out in a way that is actually terrifying, citing their ‘uncontrollable rage’ which they’re not sure why they have. I’ve never known teens and young people so angry and full of rage, for no reason.

I suspect all of the above is because they simply don’t have normal childhoods any more. They don’t play out. They don’t get bored. They don’t get creative or make things out of boxes. They don’t have family meals round a table. They don’t go to church, or have a community, or spend time with relatives and wider friend groups building social skills, or have part time jobs, or hang out in town with their friends just spending time together. They just spend their lives on screens, or in a highly structured activity environment, and when their stressed out brain eventually reacts they end up introspecting in therapy and BOOM, they’re neurodivergent and now have a final diagnosis which explains why they ‘can’t’ hold down a job or do anything for themselves.

It’s all so sad. We really need a societal conversation about what a normal childhood should look like and how important seemingly banal activities and exchanges are. I feel sorry for them, it’s not their fault, it’s ours.

This with bells on. We employ youngsters and have for years. There is a huge marked change in behaviour, capability and structure. We now get 18 year olds who can’t ask a question, look me in the eye or communicate with other members of staff.

partly it’s rules and regs. 30 years ago no one cared if you gave your neighbours 14 year old son 5 hours a week. Now, for an under 16 we have to have a council approval visit, school and parental consent. 16-18 need extra breaks, young person risk assessment. It’s just not worth the paperwork and effort any more.

The 18 year olds of today are the 13 year olds of the 80’s I think

Mixitup01 · 23/05/2026 18:43

Something which is relevant but not raised in the article is the benefits which support young people not working. When my dc applied for universal credit at the age of 18 I was shocked that they were eligible. (They are on a full-time college course and live at home with no rent or bills.) I thought they would be required to get a part-time job around college or in the holidays. Not only was it not the case but they were told as they have a health condition they should apply for the enhanced rate which they got. This is on top of PIP.

They actually get a fortune in benefits every four weeks as do several of their college friends who have enough money to eat out, go on holiday and buy anything they want in life. Hopefully they will all gain qualifications to enable them to work but with the benefits system as it is, they can currently live very comfortably without working at all.

Phineyj · 23/05/2026 18:45

I don't think GCSEs are crammed together for any more nefarious reason than schools are short on space, cohorts are large, A-levels have to be examined too, availability of invigilators is at a premium, and the courses are content heavy and difficult so you couldn't possibly finish them in time for e.g. March exams.

Think about it. You can't practically have the school hall and/or gym blocked up for the entire period from spring to summer. May and June is bad enough!

Regarding the NEETs, this is squarely down to government lack of planning. There aren't sufficient spaces to do anything. And the services that supported young people have been hugely cut back. Meanwhile, adults with bills to pay need that semi skilled work.

MignonsMorceaux · 23/05/2026 18:45

@FernFaery
I'm interested in your post, and really not trying to be snarky etc, but is this definitely borne out by data (eg not you just happening to see a lot of this for other reasons like a small statistical anomaly that looks large on an individual case basis) and when would you say it started occurring?

Another of my theories is that young men don't sit in the pub/ dinner table/ clubs etc with their grandad, older colleagues etc so don't passively see the experiences or values of older men. It's been replaced by the internet where one set of values will be amplified so you'll see 50 men saying the same thing rather than 50 men with views across the spectrum.

Probably not describing it very well but hopefully you get my gist!

FernFaery · 23/05/2026 18:46

Mixitup01 · 23/05/2026 18:43

Something which is relevant but not raised in the article is the benefits which support young people not working. When my dc applied for universal credit at the age of 18 I was shocked that they were eligible. (They are on a full-time college course and live at home with no rent or bills.) I thought they would be required to get a part-time job around college or in the holidays. Not only was it not the case but they were told as they have a health condition they should apply for the enhanced rate which they got. This is on top of PIP.

They actually get a fortune in benefits every four weeks as do several of their college friends who have enough money to eat out, go on holiday and buy anything they want in life. Hopefully they will all gain qualifications to enable them to work but with the benefits system as it is, they can currently live very comfortably without working at all.

You’re spot on. I see a LOT of 18-25 year olds on universal credit and PIP. It mystifies me as to how they get it, as when I see them they are able bodied and (in the context of my job) not anxious wrecks at home as they’ve managed to go out and commit crimes left right and centre. I don’t have anxiety but the thought of committing a crime leaves me with sweaty palms! How so called ‘anxious’ people can do this I have no idea.

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 23/05/2026 18:46

Mixitup01 · 23/05/2026 18:43

Something which is relevant but not raised in the article is the benefits which support young people not working. When my dc applied for universal credit at the age of 18 I was shocked that they were eligible. (They are on a full-time college course and live at home with no rent or bills.) I thought they would be required to get a part-time job around college or in the holidays. Not only was it not the case but they were told as they have a health condition they should apply for the enhanced rate which they got. This is on top of PIP.

They actually get a fortune in benefits every four weeks as do several of their college friends who have enough money to eat out, go on holiday and buy anything they want in life. Hopefully they will all gain qualifications to enable them to work but with the benefits system as it is, they can currently live very comfortably without working at all.

I didn't think they were eligible for UC if they were in full time education?

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Mixitup01 · 23/05/2026 18:49

My dc is on a further education course at college not university. We didn’t think they were eligible but someone told them to apply at 18 and now they get 100s of pounds a month.

FernFaery · 23/05/2026 18:50

MignonsMorceaux · 23/05/2026 18:45

@FernFaery
I'm interested in your post, and really not trying to be snarky etc, but is this definitely borne out by data (eg not you just happening to see a lot of this for other reasons like a small statistical anomaly that looks large on an individual case basis) and when would you say it started occurring?

Another of my theories is that young men don't sit in the pub/ dinner table/ clubs etc with their grandad, older colleagues etc so don't passively see the experiences or values of older men. It's been replaced by the internet where one set of values will be amplified so you'll see 50 men saying the same thing rather than 50 men with views across the spectrum.

Probably not describing it very well but hopefully you get my gist!

No data would be specific enough to record it. Violent crime is just lumped together and not really separated out by finer details, but I’ve worked in this area for many years now and it’s very noticeable and quite sudden. My experienced colleagues report the same. Young men for no reason, ‘seeing red’ and carrying out the most awful violent assaults against elderly people and women. Or going crazy and smashing up a car, or trying to smash windows. While screaming and acting almost like they’ve been possessed. Not while under the influence of narcotics or with a history of MH issues - indeed when I see them, they’re very lucid and usually apologetic.

Mixitup01 · 23/05/2026 18:50

It is a full-time course (four days a week classed as full-time.)

WhitegreeNcandle · 23/05/2026 18:54

The other thing that strikes me about the lack of teenage jobs is that kids just aren’t saving as early. Last few years we had a fab 16 year old. He worked one 4.5 hr shift at a weekend and did quite a bit in the school hols. Went to a local uni and did it all the way through. Saved over £15k and him and his partner have now put deposits on a house in their mid twenties. Yes his parents supported him by letting him live at home rent free by crikey he learnt a work ethic and how to budget.

I’m old and back in the 90’s everyone I knew as a teenager had a part time job. Making sandwiches before school, cafes at the weekend, you were minted if you could drive a tractor and corn cart. The only kids I see working now are family farm kids.

MignonsMorceaux · 23/05/2026 19:00

The other thing that strikes me about the lack of teenage jobs is that kids just aren’t saving as early.

If they aren't working (through lack of ability or availability) then there's nothing to save!

The places I worked as Saturday jobs as a teen are shut down now. One probably still exists, the other entire operation is done electronically now.

On the other hand, there are more opportunities to teach yourself to code etc than there were when I was young. Had to get a book from the library and then return it before I'd managed to make the big project at the end!

Regulus · 23/05/2026 19:02

MignonsMorceaux · 23/05/2026 19:00

The other thing that strikes me about the lack of teenage jobs is that kids just aren’t saving as early.

If they aren't working (through lack of ability or availability) then there's nothing to save!

The places I worked as Saturday jobs as a teen are shut down now. One probably still exists, the other entire operation is done electronically now.

On the other hand, there are more opportunities to teach yourself to code etc than there were when I was young. Had to get a book from the library and then return it before I'd managed to make the big project at the end!

This really isn't my experience of teens.

If a teen wants to earn there are jobs out there.

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 23/05/2026 19:02

Do you think the lack of good male role models plays a part here? Boys just aren't seeing what positive masculinity looks like?

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Regulus · 23/05/2026 19:05

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 23/05/2026 19:02

Do you think the lack of good male role models plays a part here? Boys just aren't seeing what positive masculinity looks like?

No. I think overbearing parents with unrealistic ideas are harming job prospects. Combined with giving children money for nothing.

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 23/05/2026 19:07

Regulus · 23/05/2026 19:05

No. I think overbearing parents with unrealistic ideas are harming job prospects. Combined with giving children money for nothing.

Ok, so how do we fix this? Make children do chores to earn pocket money - anything else?

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