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What is so great about Andy Burnham?

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jeanne16 · 15/05/2026 12:57

Just that really. I keep hearing what a great job he has done as mayor but never hear any examples of what he has done.

Btw Boris Johnson was quite a successful mayor of London and we all know how that turned out.

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Alexandra2001 · 18/05/2026 12:27

GasPanic · 18/05/2026 10:42

It may technically reside with Starmer but in practice it doesn't.

A PM only governs with the support of their cabinet, the cabinet only governs with the support of the backbenchers and the backbenchers only govern with the support of the people.

Maybe a better question is why Labour backbench MPs would vote for a GE when they have over 3 years left to run, and the answer to that would be that it would because they would view continuing in government was more damaging to the party and risky to their futures than calling an election.

I think Burnham is a unique candidate in the respect that his (supposed) competence makes him a clear and obvious leader of the party at this point, a leader that both the left and right may be willing to accept. The path to a new leader and a united party to me looks a lot more difficult in a Rayner/Streeting contest scenario. Where that contest takes the party I don't know, but if both sides dig their heels in it could be to a very bleak place.

Burnham may well unite left and right but he has to be elected first.

I cannot think of any Govt/Party in power, certainly in my life time, that has called a GE when they have a huge majority, miles behind in the 'polls, diversion from the manifesto or not & a manifesto that was v weak on policy.

Don't get the "support of the people" Labour won on 33% of the vote, the next Government will be formed on less than that, perhaps as low as 25%, based on current polling.

FPTP needs to go, its unfit for a multi party election.

DraigCymraeg · Yesterday 12:17

jeanne16 · 15/05/2026 12:57

Just that really. I keep hearing what a great job he has done as mayor but never hear any examples of what he has done.

Btw Boris Johnson was quite a successful mayor of London and we all know how that turned out.

He didn't even do a great job as Mayor - he left Manchester with a £1.5 BILLION debt.

MikeRafone · Yesterday 13:58

DraigCymraeg · Yesterday 12:17

He didn't even do a great job as Mayor - he left Manchester with a £1.5 BILLION debt.

Andy Burnham took over Manchester with a £964 million debt, you didn't mention that part

he left Manchester with £376 million

more debt than he started with

and where was the money spent? You don't mention that either.

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NorthXNorthWest · Today 11:16

MikeRafone · Yesterday 13:58

Andy Burnham took over Manchester with a £964 million debt, you didn't mention that part

he left Manchester with £376 million

more debt than he started with

and where was the money spent? You don't mention that either.

The regeneration of Manchester was already underway way before he became mayor. The bomb, the Commonwealth Games and the Leese and Bernstein years. He is being given too much credit but he seems happy to take it, like with the petrol price map.

As for affordable and social housing, how has that actually worked out? Of the circa 18,000 “affordable” homes built across Greater Manchester since 2017 only about 2,400 were for social rent. In the city centre, on Renaker’s latest towers alone, the good old “viability” chestnut was used to let the developer sidestep its affordable housing commitments. It’s a tried and tested loophole for many, many developers.

Where’s the long-term value creation for the region/UK once there are no more cranes on the skyline? These developments are often on council owned land (aka taxpayer owned), funded with government and local grants and loans (aka taxpayers’ money). At best the public gets a bit of interest back for a few years while the developer keeps the building and decades of rent. Manchester Life alone built c.1,500 homes with a big fat ZERO affordable, on council land, and the council reportedly gets NONE of the rental income. Taxpayers provided the land, fronted the money and took the risk. Investors get the return. But don’t worry, we can make up the shortfall with a mansion tax and potentially soon a PPT to go after the people with all that unearned wealth hoarded in their homes. They are the real villains and the reason that there are not enough homes let alone affordable ones. Pensioners and older homeowners, Labour are looking at you…

I have been to Manchester a couple of times this year. Crackadilly Gardens is still Crackadilly Gardens, just with fewer crackheads. It still looks shit.

And don’t get me started on governance. The combined authority under Burnham approved c.£120m of loans (taxpayers’ money) to Renaker and a tribunal found it hadn’t even followed protocol. Their excuse was effectively “we know they’re good for it”. Carillion anyone? It’s no wonder he was so comfortable wading into the Man City scandal. Governance it appears is optional for some.

Allseeingallknowing · Today 12:01

Papyrophile · 17/05/2026 19:03

Not saying that I would be good at it, but the money isn't good enough to bring in the really clever people (who would earn double or treble an MP's salary in industry or finance). I earned nearly as much as an MP earns now, in 1998, freelance. Fewer constituencies and better paid.

Being PM is not about the salary!

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