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Is this overcrowding? Living in living room? Social housing/council home

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Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 15:41

hey guys. asking for my cousin.

her and her parents moved into a 2 bedroom flat when she was 17, she is now 27

in 2018, 8 years ago, her parents separated.

she ended up living and sleeping in the living room because her mother moved into the her bedroom

so her dad lives in one bedroom, mum in another and daughter in living room

Someone moving out was not an option because:

father shortly before divorce ended up disabled, her mother worked minimum wage. Both parents are now pensioners.

so due to low income/pension credit/benefits impossible to find a place to rent

also one moving out would make the daughter homeless as she and and her mum wouldn’t be able to afford the rent.

also landlord now keeps rent reasonable, they wouldn’t be able to afford other private rents

few years ago my friend ended up disabled too (same illness as father, i think inherited from father) and due to illness had to cut hours and her health condition is getting worse and worse everyday. She is really scared she might have to gave up work completely and scared of the future

The living room connects to the kitchen so her parents pass her by to use kitchen everyday/constantly.

her parents are also having constant fights. They hate each other. Screaming on top of lungs, yelling, insulting each other, swearing at each other. so the stress of all this is awful. I myself witnessed this a few times while on phone with her or visiting her.

i know legally, this isn’t really overcrowding, her living in the living room.

but should she try applying anyway? Is there any chance they’ll accept her on list?

she doesn’t care about waiting even decades, she just wants to get on the list. She is terrified about the future.

this is east London, Redbridge

OP posts:
Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:43

PoppinjayPolly · 30/04/2026 17:19

why can’t she and her mum have the double room that the parents used to share?

If I remember correctly that room is also used for his disability equipment. Wheelchair etc

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WallaceinAnderland · 30/04/2026 17:44

Might it be better for her and her mum to share the house and just her dad move out into over 60s. Her mum could claim carers allowance as she is already doing some care duties.

frenchnoodle · 30/04/2026 17:44

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:40

I don’t know? When they moved in they moved in as family. And despite parents divorce they still consider themselves family?

And that's why these questions need to be asked to the local authority and citizens advice, because they need answers you won't get on Mumsnet.

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Blondeshavemorefun · 30/04/2026 17:44

If it’s a big bedroom and a small bedroom, why can the DAD not go into the mum‘s bedroom and then the mum and your friend have single beds in the double bedroom?

If she has a disability and won’t be able to work, then she needs to look at claiming PIP and Lwcra And it’s likely that the rental then get paid for

If her parents do move out to an over 55/retired then should be in a position to do a swap and I’m sure there’s families living in a one bedroom place who would like to have two bedrooms

What is her disability? Is it not life-threatening if the DAD have it and Is a pensioner.

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:45

WallaceinAnderland · 30/04/2026 17:44

Might it be better for her and her mum to share the house and just her dad move out into over 60s. Her mum could claim carers allowance as she is already doing some care duties.

With caring allowance you need to do 35 plus hours work though

while her mum is wonderful and helps a lot it’s not quite 35 hours

OP posts:
Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:47

Blondeshavemorefun · 30/04/2026 17:44

If it’s a big bedroom and a small bedroom, why can the DAD not go into the mum‘s bedroom and then the mum and your friend have single beds in the double bedroom?

If she has a disability and won’t be able to work, then she needs to look at claiming PIP and Lwcra And it’s likely that the rental then get paid for

If her parents do move out to an over 55/retired then should be in a position to do a swap and I’m sure there’s families living in a one bedroom place who would like to have two bedrooms

What is her disability? Is it not life-threatening if the DAD have it and Is a pensioner.

what do you mean families would love to swap and have two bedrooms?

the 2 bed flat they are living in now is a private rental, not a council flat

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HeadDeskHeadDesk · 30/04/2026 17:50

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:41

it’s a physical disability. And pretty severe.

Edited

Yes, I gathered that much, but what is it? This is an anonymous forum so I don't see why you can't just say what it is.

WallaceinAnderland · 30/04/2026 17:52

If it’s a big bedroom and a small bedroom, why can the DAD not go into the mum‘s bedroom and then the mum and your friend have single beds in the double bedroom?

A few people have suggested this obvious solution. OP, do you know why they are not doing this?

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:53

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 30/04/2026 17:50

Yes, I gathered that much, but what is it? This is an anonymous forum so I don't see why you can't just say what it is.

I don’t want to post because i am worried it would be too identifying. I’ve not been given permission/sure it would be ok to share her disability so I’m not comfortable

i worry I already posted too much info on here

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Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:55

WallaceinAnderland · 30/04/2026 17:52

If it’s a big bedroom and a small bedroom, why can the DAD not go into the mum‘s bedroom and then the mum and your friend have single beds in the double bedroom?

A few people have suggested this obvious solution. OP, do you know why they are not doing this?

I answered earlier. The room is not big and Dads medical equipment/adoptations, wheelchair etc is stored in this room

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2dogsandabudgie · 30/04/2026 18:01

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:17

its not a matter of her wanting place of her own.

in our culture we don’t leave our parents home and everyone lives together, even when married. It’s why when she was in her early 20s graduated uni and healthy she didn’t even move out, but stayed home.

it’s just she is worried she is about to become completely disabled and no one would want to rent her a place. She wouldn’t be able to afford rents

house share wouldn’t be ok with her unable/struggling to clean up after herself/shower etc

Edited

I'm not sure what the problem is then if in your culture families stay living together anyway. That's what they are doing now. There must be a large bedroom so could the mother and daughter share that and the father have the smaller room.

Potooooooooes · 30/04/2026 18:04

Have all occupants had their care needs assessed by the local authority?

WallaceinAnderland · 30/04/2026 18:05

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:55

I answered earlier. The room is not big and Dads medical equipment/adoptations, wheelchair etc is stored in this room

Edited

Sorry I missed that. In that case would it make more sense for your friend to have her mum's room and for her mum to have the downstairs room as she is the only one without a disability in the house?

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 18:06

2dogsandabudgie · 30/04/2026 18:01

I'm not sure what the problem is then if in your culture families stay living together anyway. That's what they are doing now. There must be a large bedroom so could the mother and daughter share that and the father have the smaller room.

fathers bedrooms in not that large and also is used to store his medical equipment/adoptations/wheelchair

parents will be leaving to over 60s home as he has care needs.

she is worried being disabled once parents leave she will be unable to find anyone to rent a home to her and I am thinking if she could apply and gets on list due to “overcrowding” need

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Monty36 · 30/04/2026 18:10

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:55

I answered earlier. The room is not big and Dads medical equipment/adoptations, wheelchair etc is stored in this room

Edited

Could the wheelchair not be stored in the living room ? And two small single beds be housed where there used to be a double bed ?

Anyone can apply to be on a housing list. How quickly you move up it depends on your circumstances.

The people on this thread will not know how far up the list you might ever get. Nor advise if the Council will give you a bigger home.

Jk987 · 30/04/2026 18:10

It’s worth getting some support and practical advice from a charity related to her illness.

likelysuspect · 30/04/2026 18:11

Why dont they all just rent a 3 bed flat?

Monty36 · 30/04/2026 18:12

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 17:47

what do you mean families would love to swap and have two bedrooms?

the 2 bed flat they are living in now is a private rental, not a council flat

Edited

At the top of your thread you said it was Council housing ?

2dogsandabudgie · 30/04/2026 18:12

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 18:06

fathers bedrooms in not that large and also is used to store his medical equipment/adoptations/wheelchair

parents will be leaving to over 60s home as he has care needs.

she is worried being disabled once parents leave she will be unable to find anyone to rent a home to her and I am thinking if she could apply and gets on list due to “overcrowding” need

I think the best thing would be for her to ring the Council and see whether she would be eligible. Some Councils class using a living area as a bedroom as a viable option because they have so many people on their waiting lists.

Or she could contact Citizens Advice and see what they suggest.

Hannahandbaby · 30/04/2026 18:13

Monty36 · 30/04/2026 18:12

At the top of your thread you said it was Council housing ?

No it’s a private rented flat

when I typed council, I meant as in can she get council housing. Sorry my mistake I didn’t make it clear. I was in a rush/distracted typing

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Jk987 · 30/04/2026 18:13

I think her Dad should move out rather than her seeing as he’s split up from mum. Had he got family?

Jk987 · 30/04/2026 18:13

I think her Dad should move out rather than her seeing as he’s split up from mum. Had he got family?

Jk987 · 30/04/2026 18:13

I think her Dad should move out rather than her seeing as he’s split up from mum. Had he got family?

Jk987 · 30/04/2026 18:13

I think her Dad should move out rather than her seeing as he’s split up from mum. Had he got family?

Jk987 · 30/04/2026 18:13

I think her Dad should move out rather than her seeing as he’s split up from mum. Had he got family?

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