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Rats probably coming from neighbour’s messy garden? How to address this with them?

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EndlessSeaViews · Yesterday 11:33

We live in a semi-rural village and have lived in our house for 30 years. Both dh and I have lived in the same village all of our lives and are used to country living.

Six years ago we got new ndn. We have never had any major issues with them, however, they are as messy as hell. They have a very large back garden and have filled it with junk, five old rusty vans and a few old motorbikes sit there which he says he'll do up and sell but they have never moved, they just sit there with weeds growing through them. He broke up an old concrete path some years back and the rubble sits in a pile, again with weeds growing around them. He has piles of logs all over the garden, literally piles here and there. Two big guinea pig hutches and an array of other junk laying around, they also have 3 dogs and there are piles of dog crap scattered around the garden. And this is from what I can see from upstairs, there is a lot I can't see so who knows what other shite is lying around.

Because my husband grew up on farms he is fully aware how to manage country living and when there is vermin around he can see where they have been and makes sure that we never have an infestation (and we never have). He said a few weeks ago that he has noticed a few things in the garden which leads him to believe there are rats around and noticed what looks like burrowing holes under the fence between ours and our ndn. He mentioned this to the neighbour who said he absolutely did not have rats and if anything it's probably just mice. My husband said the size of those holes would not have been made by mice but the ndn wouldn't have it.

Forward to yesterday and we were sitting in our conservatory and a big fat rat ran across our patio and hid behind a watering can. We sat and watched it for a while to see where it went and sure enough it scurried back across the garden and under one of the burrows and into the ndn garden where no doubt it has a nest and countless other family members.

It's so annoying that in the 3 decades we have lived here we have never had a rat infestation due to the way my husband manages the garden and also because our previous ndn kept his garden clean and tidy too. We don't leave anything down which could potentially harbor vermin but now it looks as though we have this issue and it is more than likely due to our neighbours mess. DH mentioned it to him last night but he still won't have it. I just wished we had recorded the sighting yesterday to show it going back into their garden.

How do we deal with this if he's in denial? How someone keeps their property is of no interest to me but if it starts to cause issues within someone elses property surely they need to take responsibility? I don't want to fall out with them by calling environmental services so not sure what to do other than put poison down on our side which isn't ideal as we too have a dog.

WWYD in our situation?

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mondaytosunday · Yesterday 11:43

I’d get an exterminator in. Your neighbour is unlikely to be cooperative so get a guy in who will lay poison down in protected containers - we had dogs when he came and it was no issue. Tell your neighbour you’ve seen rats and are getting a professional in. The cost is not much - ours was £85 and included two follow up visits to check if the poison had been taken and problem resolved. Then block up the route - of course they may return but they didn’t at our house.

mondaytosunday · Yesterday 11:43

I’d get an exterminator in. Your neighbour is unlikely to be cooperative so get a guy in who will lay poison down in protected containers - we had dogs when he came and it was no issue. Tell your neighbour you’ve seen rats and are getting a professional in. The cost is not much - ours was £85 and included two follow up visits to check if the poison had been taken and problem resolved. Then block up the route - of course they may return but they didn’t at our house.

EndlessSeaViews · Yesterday 12:04

mondaytosunday · Yesterday 11:43

I’d get an exterminator in. Your neighbour is unlikely to be cooperative so get a guy in who will lay poison down in protected containers - we had dogs when he came and it was no issue. Tell your neighbour you’ve seen rats and are getting a professional in. The cost is not much - ours was £85 and included two follow up visits to check if the poison had been taken and problem resolved. Then block up the route - of course they may return but they didn’t at our house.

Dh has already got some poison and the containers and keeps blocking up the holes but they obviously make new ones. Hopefully, the poison will work but I am just a bit concerned if the problem isn't sorted at ndn garden and it continues to get messier and messier this will become a recurring problem.

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BertieBotts · Yesterday 12:06

Environmental health. They can assess the situation and give advice to the neighbour. I don't know what happens if the neighbour doesn't follow it. We had a neighbour who was attracting rats due to feeding the birds in her garden, insisted no rat issue because they wouldn't come into her garden when her dogs were out, but they nested under both of us next door neighbours and bothered us instead. Environmental health did get her to change some habits.

user1471538283 · Yesterday 12:14

You need environmental health. Just poisoning the rats will kill some but it will also kill other wildlife. You need your neighbour to not keep the environment the rats thrive in.

HoldItAllTogether · Yesterday 12:26

Keep on with the poison. Get the strong stuff. Use AI to tell you which. Then run some rat proof wire along the bottom of your fences and dig it into the ground. If it’s your fence you could also add something to the top of the fence to stop them climbing over. They can’t climb smooth surfaces.
Rats can climb most things but if this is going to be a long term issue then it might be worth trying to rat proof the garden. Don’t bother with deterrents.

Make sure there is nothing in your gardens that might attract the rats.

Environmental Health are obliged to issue an abatement notice if they consider the accumulation to be a statutory nuisance. Take photos and provide evidence of the rats if you can.

I hate rats.

ForPinkDuck · Yesterday 12:35

Get some barn cats?

ApproachingMinimums · Yesterday 12:36

Formula B rat bait. There is nothing to touch it.

Our dickhead neighbour keeps chickens and he has no idea. Rats overrun the place and we haven't spoken to him in nearly 20 yearsfor this and avariety of other reasons.

No point in having a neighbour dispute on the house either.

A couple of weeks of Formula B and the place is littered with dead and dying rats in the open that you can just pick up and chuck on the bonfire. I collected 35 on the fifth day of using it. 220 in total. No idea how many he had or if he wondered what was killing them.

Now the population is down, we just put a tiny bit down if we see one but this has worked for eight or nine years now.

EndlessSeaViews · Yesterday 12:46

user1471538283 · Yesterday 12:14

You need environmental health. Just poisoning the rats will kill some but it will also kill other wildlife. You need your neighbour to not keep the environment the rats thrive in.

This is our concern too which is why we have been loathe to put down any poison. Dh will speak with the neighbour again today and ask him to have a look and see if he can see where the rats are going. They must be nesting somewhere in the piles of crap scattered about their garden.

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EndlessSeaViews · Yesterday 12:50

HoldItAllTogether · Yesterday 12:26

Keep on with the poison. Get the strong stuff. Use AI to tell you which. Then run some rat proof wire along the bottom of your fences and dig it into the ground. If it’s your fence you could also add something to the top of the fence to stop them climbing over. They can’t climb smooth surfaces.
Rats can climb most things but if this is going to be a long term issue then it might be worth trying to rat proof the garden. Don’t bother with deterrents.

Make sure there is nothing in your gardens that might attract the rats.

Environmental Health are obliged to issue an abatement notice if they consider the accumulation to be a statutory nuisance. Take photos and provide evidence of the rats if you can.

I hate rats.

We never have anything in the garden to attract any vermin as DH hates rats too. He grew up on a farm and was only 10 when a massive rat killed his Jack Russell so he has loathed them ever since. He wants to get his shot gun out and shoot any that come into our garden but that's not idea!

We are holding back putting down anything too strong because we have so many other lovely wildlife animals come into our garden and would hate for them to accidentally get killed in the process (or our dog).

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EndlessSeaViews · Yesterday 12:51

ForPinkDuck · Yesterday 12:35

Get some barn cats?

We live nest to a busy road and have lost 4 of our 6 cats to that road so we can't take the risk of getting any more.

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ForPinkDuck · Yesterday 12:51

Yes there eating the dog shit

EndlessSeaViews · Yesterday 12:52

ApproachingMinimums · Yesterday 12:36

Formula B rat bait. There is nothing to touch it.

Our dickhead neighbour keeps chickens and he has no idea. Rats overrun the place and we haven't spoken to him in nearly 20 yearsfor this and avariety of other reasons.

No point in having a neighbour dispute on the house either.

A couple of weeks of Formula B and the place is littered with dead and dying rats in the open that you can just pick up and chuck on the bonfire. I collected 35 on the fifth day of using it. 220 in total. No idea how many he had or if he wondered what was killing them.

Now the population is down, we just put a tiny bit down if we see one but this has worked for eight or nine years now.

We are really concerned it will affect other wildlife though. It's a difficult decision to make as obviously we also don't want any kind of infestation.

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EndlessSeaViews · Yesterday 12:53

ForPinkDuck · Yesterday 12:51

Yes there eating the dog shit

They have two small dc who play in that garden too, urgh!

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FettchYeSandbagges · Yesterday 12:54

Contact the council environmental health department and tell them. Hopefully they will send pest control out. Some councils charge, others don't.

EndlessSeaViews · Yesterday 13:27

FettchYeSandbagges · Yesterday 12:54

Contact the council environmental health department and tell them. Hopefully they will send pest control out. Some councils charge, others don't.

I will call them tomorrow.

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ApproachingMinimums · Yesterday 14:26

EndlessSeaViews · Yesterday 12:52

We are really concerned it will affect other wildlife though. It's a difficult decision to make as obviously we also don't want any kind of infestation.

Buy bait boxes. They have a hole of a predetermined size that hedgehogs can't get into and only put them where you know is a rat run or you have activity. If you do, use the grain based formula as the blocks are known to be carried away by the rats and then it is more likely to be eaten by non target species.

Some boxes have a rod that you can thread bait blocks onto but they still get nibbled through and parts taken away.

The thing with Formula B is that they need so little of it, you don't need to put it down for long. I was astonished at the knock down effect but hitherto, I had been used to using the old warfarin based stuff that was very hit and miss and seemed to take ages. The rats also died hidden away and stunk up the place whereas this stuff, they get hot so come out into the open to die and you can see the stuff you spent your money on, actually working.

DrCoconut · Yesterday 14:54

I found a rat in my yard today. I've already sent off an inquiry to a pest control company. I've had them before and professional help was worth every penny. It was other properties then and it looks like flytipping in the back alley may be the cause now. I think they are moving into my shed 🤮

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