Would you support national CCTV, facial recognition and DNA collection at birth?

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For the purpose of law and order, would you be for or against:
A) More CCTV and facial recognition, all connected to a national system.
B) DNA collected and recorded from babies at birth.

(Ironically, the first time I've used the AI title generation!).

Absolutely not

No I’m not
I specifically said there would always be people who would misuse information

However, I still think it could do more good than bad.

Male babies should, female babies shouldn’t

Absolutely not under any circumstances. The government should have as little information about us as possible.

They are overstepping their remit already.

No! And what company would anyone trust with the data!
I value my privacy.

So the people who the state (or simply an individual who someone with power wants to get rid of) put in prison for the rest of their lives when they haven’t done anything will just be pretty much sacrificed? Surely there are countries that are run like this that people like you can move to,

Then if your son is going out with a girl that someone else fancies but his dad is the chief of police, your lad can be put in,prison without trial on a trumped up charge but it’s for the greater good so you won’t mind.

No- I don’t think it’s necessary or effective

No. The idea that the government (have you SEEN the government) should have total power over everything we say and do for "law and order" seems incredibly dangerous to me.

We all know the police don't actually do anything about crime anyway. When was the last actual crime anyone reported followed up. My late DH was hit by a car in the street, in his wheelchair, and they did nothing about it even though they admitted they knew who it was. You see people just stealing in the shops and nothing happens. So what would they use it for.

All they apparently do is go round intimidating random mums for saying women exist on Twitter. So they'd probably just use it to do more of that. Enjoy being arrested in front of your kids for saying whatever the next baffling wrongthink thing is. Clowns are ducks now. Ducks are racist. Get her! 😂

In conclusion, do not arm your enemy. Keep a window cracked, one day it might be you that needs to wriggle through it.

It wouldn’t work and just be a waste of tax payers money. Criminals just need to wear a mask while walking down the street and masks are a common sight these days

No. Definitely not. Too many possible bad uses of such a system.

Im not keen on either, but particularly facial recognition. Its not so good at recognising women or black people so goodness knows how many black women would get false accusations.

I also think government could use it to prevent legitimate things like peaceful protest or union meetings. So many options for misuse.

This. But then a Govt may decide to let a private company hold the database and now not only is there the possibility of hacking our details someone will monetize them to whoever they choose

I do not want my (or anyone's) DNA to be generally available. Apart from Law & Order, this can be used to look at things like health conditions I am predicted to get etc. Who knows what else it will be used to reveal in future. I would not like to have things like life insurance premiums calculated according to my DNA. There has already been health data collected by the UK government on sale in China. There is no reason why the government would need such detailed personal information about me.

There are obviously big benefits to CCTV - as you highlight - but if we're saying that we fully trust the police to monitor and control it without question, simply by virtue of them being police, it's very open to abuse and a lot to be expected of us all to routinely give away our privacy to any bad and corrupt police as well as the good ones - and indeed to those who may not intend any real harm, but who may be nosey and like the power that they have over the public.

I don't want to live in a police state where you're expected to prove that you aren't committing a crime - or indeed, like China, where you can be punished or shamed for any non-crime social behaviours that are 'disapproved of' by the authorities or your peers. Recent turns of events have hammered this home that it could well happen in the UK too: where 'wrongthink' is now very much a thing.

I can only find a DM link right now for the Jill Dando issue, but I've heard it mentioned by a few media sources in the past:
www.dailymail.com/news/article-3017544/How-police-failed-trace-100-suspects-Jill-Dando-murder-questioned-Cliff-Richard-Jeremy-Paxman-life.html

This. To me, it's a simple question of whether I own me, or whether the state owns me.

And also, you’ll never eradicate crime. Crime just adapts.

Op has already pointed out that survallience has reduced and targeted crime. That’s Great.

do I want every crime solved at the expense of freedom? No. To be frank, some crimes are not important enough. I am not giving up this level of autonomy so that shoplifters stealing from businesses, or mobile phone thieves can be identified

secondly, how often is justice not done not because we can’t identify the culprits, but because it’s not worth prosecuting them? There is no point knowing who the shoplifter is if they won’t be prosecuted anyway.

how often do we really have serious unsolved crime in this country? What level of problem is it?

imo it doesn’t necessitate this

No. I don't trust it not to be misused.

No i fucking wouldnt And i absolutely hope that the people who have already been falsely accused of shoplifting by Facewatch/due to facial recognition bring a class action lawsuit.

As a general principle and in certain parts, yes.

In the way you describe, and for that purpose? Hell no. Who could we trust to write the software for that one? They couldn't even manage to write software that added up the tills at post offices properly, and innocent people were sent to prison for it.

You show a touching level of faith that any of this would actually work as intended OP. This is Britain, we'd end up outsourcing it to Serco.

https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/facialrec/daily-mail-ai-facial-recognition-wrongly-flags-a-software-engineer-and-midwife-as-criminals/

Yes, absolutely but I’d want it to be done safely and securely.

No. Unsafe. Only last week, we heard about the leak af millions of Biobank data to China.

I am so sick of flytipped rubbish that I would support covering the country in CCTV if it meant flytippers could be prosecuted and have their cars crushed. The country is becoming an utter shithole. Bring on the cameras.

Yes -dna evidence is the best aid we have to prosecute rape , and a familial database could be derived