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Do you pronounce the 'h' in words such as 'whip' and 'while' ?

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TheTecknician · 24/04/2026 18:38

If you do, hwy ?

Seriously, this is something I've noticed in people's speech as I've got older. I'm fairly sure I was taught at school that the 'h' in these and other words was silent but maybe it's not necessarily so. Perhaps it's a matter of regional pronunciation or dialect.

Stevie Griffin says 'coolhwip' in Family Guy.

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RaraRachael · 25/04/2026 21:05

If there is "A way to pronouncs words", which accent does it use - RP?
If so presumably everybody with a regional accent is wrong 🙄.

There's an Emmerdale actress who pronounces "family" as "famleh". I wouldn't say that's wrong, just different.

It would be boring if everyone in the UK spoke the same.

mathanxiety · 25/04/2026 21:25

nevernotmaybe · 25/04/2026 19:58

People get confused about accents and how the language is pronounced.

There is a way to pronounce words. And it should be taught, you don't get taught accents in schools. Accents are then natural variation in everyday life. But everyone with any accent, should know and learn how words are actually pronounced as part of the language not just their accent.

If you're confusing accent with non standard English then I agree with you.

If you're trying to suggest that one accent is more correct than any others, then I disagree.

pitterypattery00 · 25/04/2026 21:39

LilyLemonade · 25/04/2026 15:32

Horse and hoarse are exactly the same pronunciation to me. (both sound like 'horse' without pronouncing the r)
I also say poor, pour, pore and paw exactly the same. (all sound like 'paw')

Pour and pore are the same for me too.They rhyme with four and door.

But poor is different - rhymes with moor. It's almost 2 syllables - 'poo-ur'.

And paw is different again - rhymes with law.

I can't get my head around how to make them all sound the same.

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mathanxiety · 25/04/2026 21:40

Cheesipuff · 25/04/2026 19:19

I would say it’s a blowing between lips w not just a wu.

Yes - it's a voiceless labial-velar fricative.

pitterypattery00 · 25/04/2026 21:52

monkeycat · 25/04/2026 20:39

This is how I think of the difference between w and wh.

I'm scottish and teach phonics and spelling.

I get the kids to hold their palm up in front of their mouth. When they say Wales, they don't feel anything, but when they say whales they will feel their breath on their hand.

This is a great way to explain it - I'd never realised you can feel where, which etc on your hand but not wear, witch. Agree that in Scotland wh is taught in same way as other consonant digraphs (sh, ch, th etc).

tofumad · 25/04/2026 21:57

mathanxiety · 25/04/2026 21:40

Yes - it's a voiceless labial-velar fricative.

It's mad. We learn this stuff seamlessly as children. But the theory of it is so complicated, I don't even understand one word of this. Well, labial, something to do with lips?

RaraRachael · 25/04/2026 22:04

I can only make poor, pour, pore and paw sound the same if I put on a faux English accent.

To me - pore and pour are the same
Poor = poo-er
Paw rhymes with law.

RitaIncognita · 25/04/2026 22:06

pitterypattery00 · 25/04/2026 21:39

Pour and pore are the same for me too.They rhyme with four and door.

But poor is different - rhymes with moor. It's almost 2 syllables - 'poo-ur'.

And paw is different again - rhymes with law.

I can't get my head around how to make them all sound the same.

Some of these differences are going to be a question of whether a person is a rhotic or non-rhotic speaker, or in other words, what the speaker does with those r sounds.

hobbledyhoy · 25/04/2026 22:10

HotCrossBunplease · 25/04/2026 16:30

Maybe read what countless Scots on this thread have written?

I have read them, that’s why I’m questioning it. Clearly because in my experience, I don’t recognise that to be the case. There are many Scottish accents, all quite different.

Perhaps don’t be quite so rude when there’s no need?

Cheesipuff · 25/04/2026 23:02

The one that does annoy me is buk instead of boook. I’ve noticed Americans and south English saying it -don’t know about the rest of the country but it’s boook in Scotland.

PGmicstand · 25/04/2026 23:10

You mean like Stewie Griffin and "Kewl Hwhip"?

JoBrodie · 26/04/2026 00:56

Monolithique · 25/04/2026 00:24

No, I've only ever known one person to pronounce the Hs in that scenario.

This person worked on wheat and so was giving a talk about wHeat. God that was a hilariously irritating talk..!

I only discovered that I have an incomplete wine/whine merger (I pronounce them differently) when playing a game of Settlers of Catan and trying to trade wheat (hweat) with other players :)

I have an English accent but Scottish heritage (parents had Scottish accents) so I probably picked it up from them but didn't lose it, despite losing my Scottish accent at school.

Jo

lrene · 26/04/2026 01:18

Whil Wheaton

sashh · 26/04/2026 03:22

Inspirel · 25/04/2026 16:58

That’s almost everyone in Ireland (ROI) so 😁
Haitch is the standard here. It’s the pronunciation taught in schools etc.

In some parts of Britain it indicates whether you are catholic or protestant. It will be interesting to see if it fades now there are fewer Irish nuns in RC schools.

realsavagelike · 26/04/2026 03:37

TheTecknician · 24/04/2026 18:38

If you do, hwy ?

Seriously, this is something I've noticed in people's speech as I've got older. I'm fairly sure I was taught at school that the 'h' in these and other words was silent but maybe it's not necessarily so. Perhaps it's a matter of regional pronunciation or dialect.

Stevie Griffin says 'coolhwip' in Family Guy.

Only had to read the thread title for Stewie to pop unbidden into my head!

moderate · 26/04/2026 04:21

FindingMeno · 25/04/2026 07:37

I am sitting here trying to pronounce the h and as hard as I try, I can't!

It’s not hard. Make as if you are blowing out birthday candles and without stopping blowing say “witch” or “weather” which will now be pronounced “which” or “whether”.

moderate · 26/04/2026 04:24

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 25/04/2026 07:33

There’s a fancy linguistic word for this, which is basically about our speech getting lazier with time. It’s the same word for the ‘yu’ sound rather than ‘oo’ in suit.
Suit was once syoot
Tuesday as Tyoosday rather than chooseday.
Soldyer rather than soljer

All very much present in the late Queen!

I still do some of the older sounds- Tyoosday, hwich, hwen etc.
But I don’t do hwoo. Merely ‘hoo’. 🤣

@pitterypattery00 what difference is there in hoarse and horse? I can’t get that one!

I pronounce the Y in Tuesday and the D in Wednesday.

moderate · 26/04/2026 04:26

Seymour5 · 25/04/2026 07:39

@PrizedPickledPopcorn

I would pronounce hoarse with an ‘o’ sound, as in force, but horse with an ‘aw’ sound, to rhyme with gorse. But worse rhymes with curse, nurse and purse.

In my accent there is no difference between “horse” and “hoarse”. Both have rhotic Rs pronounced.

moderate · 26/04/2026 04:30

Inspirel · 25/04/2026 16:58

That’s almost everyone in Ireland (ROI) so 😁
Haitch is the standard here. It’s the pronunciation taught in schools etc.

I thought it was a Protestant/Catholic thing?

moderate · 26/04/2026 04:35

Cheesipuff · 25/04/2026 23:02

The one that does annoy me is buk instead of boook. I’ve noticed Americans and south English saying it -don’t know about the rest of the country but it’s boook in Scotland.

I don’t pronounce the word “book” as either “buk” or “boook”.

mathanxiety · 26/04/2026 04:44

moderate · 26/04/2026 04:30

I thought it was a Protestant/Catholic thing?

In NI yes.

In Ireland no.

mathanxiety · 26/04/2026 04:59

tofumad · 25/04/2026 21:57

It's mad. We learn this stuff seamlessly as children. But the theory of it is so complicated, I don't even understand one word of this. Well, labial, something to do with lips?

It's really just jargon that helps linguists communicate exactly what sounds they're hearing without casting around for rhymes. As seen on this and countless other threads, the pesky non-rhotic R makes this exercise farcical.

Basically, the velum is the back of the roof of the mouth and labial does refer to the lips.
The back of the tongue is raised slightly toward the velum and the HW sound is made by breath being forced between rounded lips (this is the fricative part).
Voiceless means no vibration is felt in the larynx when a sound is made. WH (hw) is a sound that doesn't involve vibration.

You can experiment with different vowel, consonant, and diphthong sounds to check whether voiced or voiceless by feeling your throat as you make the sounds.

ohnoimwrongagain · 26/04/2026 05:05

I’m so confused, I’m Scottish and I don’t think i pronounce it, and I wouldn’t even know how!

which and which, whine and wine sound exactly the same to me BlushBlushBlushBlush

can anybody explain the difference?

ohnoimwrongagain · 26/04/2026 05:09

SueKeeper · 24/04/2026 22:01

Do you mean, does anyone pronounce the "W" in "Wee," the same way as "Wh," in "while?'"

No, I can't imagine why anyone would. Wile would be pronounced differently to While, Wee is very different to the first Sound in Wheel.

I'm Scottish and I think of the H on WH as similar to the H in SH, you are making a different phonic, not pronouncing the H, as such.

I’m from Glasgow and I’m not getting this at all.

To me, whip sounds the same as wip.

The w sound in wee just sounds the as the w sound in while.

Does anybody have an example of a Scottish person speaking i could listen to to try and hear the difference?

ohnoimwrongagain · 26/04/2026 05:11

tofumad · 24/04/2026 23:08

Ok I've seen a post that suggested that some people can't hear any difference between witch and which. My mind is blown. I have never heard this before. Is it true? Or made up?

I can’t hear any difference between which and witch. I’m Scottish.

im totally confused.