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I have no idea what to call it– mums and society.

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Viewfromthewindow · 21/04/2026 13:28

Hi all, I'm just ruminating on a discussion I had with a mother at a playgroup this morning. Our current circumstances are very different, but it was similar to what my mum faced when I was growing up in some aspects.

This lady was left by her husband last year, she has 3 young children and he is self employed. She is not receiving hardly anything from him and is struggling to work around 3 young children. She has received some money from their divorce settlement, not a huge sum, but is over the threshold for UC. She's gone from living in what sounds like a lovely home, to being housed in social housing.

It struck a nerve with me, as my mum and I went through similar experiences when I was young, some 30 odd years ago. Of course, it wasn't UC then. We ended up living with my gran, as my mum couldn't afford a house of her own and struggled with childcare for 2 young kids. She made something work but it was a tough time. My dad went on and had 2 more kids and didn't pay a penny towards us.

Everything is so expensive these days. We all would love to believe it would never happen to us. We'd all like to hope our husbands or partners would do the right thing. How this lady is supposed to afford childcare that would support her to financially support 3 children sufficiently is beyond me.

My partner and I have a good relationship (I think), but it seemed so did this lady until hers met a woman he connected with and left her for. I just find it so sad that, from what I experienced as a child, times seem to have not changed so much for single mums. They seem shackled in so many ways. Yes I suppose she could get a mortgage with the money but paying a mortgage and childcare for multiple children, as well as further costs isn't a feasible option. I was actually shocked about how much her social housing costs were. I thought these associations were made to actually help people.

Maybe it's hit a nerve because of my own childhood experiences but I really felt for this woman today. I work full time but know life would be completely different if for any reasons, myself and partner separated. It just highlighted that although people go on about people on benefits, everything when you closer into it is a trap. She said that because she has over a certain amount in savings from the divorce that was given back to her from the sale of the house, she's not applicable for support. It's thrown me into a spin and made me look at my own finances.

Does anyone else feel that no matter which way you go, the government has you by the balls in some way? Between tax, savings etc. I really felt for this lady today and wish I could just do something to help her. You really never know what someone is going through. It's easy for us all to judge a life we don't have, but I know I couldn't have a very decent standard of living on my wages, especially if my partner became and ex who dodges his child support.

OP posts:
Passaggressfedup · 21/04/2026 15:16

Her nursery fees for that child are £720 a month as child has to be in full time to enable her to work
But she can claim help with these costs. And it won't last forever.

Jellybunny98 · 21/04/2026 15:55

Passaggressfedup · 21/04/2026 15:16

Her nursery fees for that child are £720 a month as child has to be in full time to enable her to work
But she can claim help with these costs. And it won't last forever.

What help?

That cost is already with 30 free hours and tax free childcare.

She is not entitled to UC, she works full time, so what help do you think she can claim? Genuinely asking because if she is missing something I will gladly pass that on.

StandingDeskDisco · 21/04/2026 16:10

nearlylovemyusername · 21/04/2026 15:05

Does anyone else feel that no matter which way you go, the government has you by the balls in some way? Between tax, savings etc.

Why is that the default assumption is that government (or taxpayers to be precise) always have to bail you out?

Because that is what happens in a civilised democracy.
The government collects taxes, and provides a safety net for those in need.

In this case, the woman did not need cash (had savings from the divorce), but presumably did need housing. The government (by which I mean all governments for many decades) have miserably failed in their duty to provide social housing, leaving the poorest at the mercy of rental market forces.

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StandingDeskDisco · 21/04/2026 16:11

StandingDeskDisco · 21/04/2026 16:10

Because that is what happens in a civilised democracy.
The government collects taxes, and provides a safety net for those in need.

In this case, the woman did not need cash (had savings from the divorce), but presumably did need housing. The government (by which I mean all governments for many decades) have miserably failed in their duty to provide social housing, leaving the poorest at the mercy of rental market forces.

Sorry, just seen that the woman was in social housing.
So all good.
(apart from the dead-beat father of course).

Viewfromthewindow · 21/04/2026 16:18

Sorry just getting back from school runs etc. Good to see people talking about this subject.

My opinion is the government nails most of us in some way or another. Very easy to assume this and that, especially is you don't know every in and out detail, or have no experience yourself. I feel many dads don't do enough for their children post separation, and many of us judge (with prejudice), without knowing the full facts of people's circumstances. There's been nothing said here today that has changed my mind on any of my views.

Let us hope none of us ever get left in the lurch, in any way shape or form. Be it a relationship or otherwise. I've seen first had the effect it can have on someone you love.

For those of you who have experienced similar yourself, or know those who have, I really and genuinely hope that more than anything else, you emotionally recover. Life can be long and it's a tough road when you have been burned. Not everyone is bad but it sure feels that way when you've been hurt by someone you should absolutely be able to trust 100%. I hope you've been met with grace and care by those that love you.

Be safe guys and enjoy your evening.

OP posts:
Ritaskitchen · 21/04/2026 16:22

It’s not the government. It’s the man who didn’t stick to his promise to love and cherish this woman.

OhWise1 · 21/04/2026 16:27

You are all assuming the man who left was a bellend, but it coukd equally be the woman's actions that caused the split

Besafeeatcake · 21/04/2026 16:34

Epicuriouss · 21/04/2026 13:33

I’m not sure it’s ’the government has us by the balls’ as much as the government does nothing to stop men being absolute feckless shithouses if and when they choose to. The men are the problem.

Exactly.

Would this be the same government that pays for UC and supports people who need it?

How lucky are we to live in a country where people can receive benefits that need them if their exH don’t pay anything and treat them like crap.

ThedaBara · 21/04/2026 16:38

nearlylovemyusername · 21/04/2026 15:05

Does anyone else feel that no matter which way you go, the government has you by the balls in some way? Between tax, savings etc.

Why is that the default assumption is that government (or taxpayers to be precise) always have to bail you out?

Because we're living in a society? And society benefits from not having a huge underclass of homeless, malnourished children. That went out in the Victorian times

AnneLovesGilbert · 21/04/2026 17:02

At least she was married. If she hadn’t been she could have been in a worse situation.

frozendaisy · 21/04/2026 17:19

This is contributing to the younger generations of women not having children.

Money is boring but fucking important because it is what is turned into housing and food.

You take a huge risk without your own independent funds having kids to a self employed.

FettchYeSandbagges · 21/04/2026 17:28

Sad, isn't it, that there is still such a stigma attached to the term 'single mums'.

nearlylovemyusername · 21/04/2026 18:45

ThedaBara · 21/04/2026 16:38

Because we're living in a society? And society benefits from not having a huge underclass of homeless, malnourished children. That went out in the Victorian times

Surely there is a gulf between single parent families and underclass homeless malnourished children?
I know quite a few women who became single parents, no help from their EXs, yet they managed to become very succesful.

That woman in OP's post got council house and has savings above UC limit. When the money are gone she'll get UC and uncapped child benefits. What else do you want? For taxpayers to fund her so she doesn't need to spend her divorce settlement? incl taxpayers on NMW who might not any savings themselves? or those taxpayers who pay extortionate private rents?
Life is hard for many people, but surely it's not the government to blame in these particular circumstances.

Sometimessmiling · 22/04/2026 19:28

Viewfromthewindow · 21/04/2026 13:28

Hi all, I'm just ruminating on a discussion I had with a mother at a playgroup this morning. Our current circumstances are very different, but it was similar to what my mum faced when I was growing up in some aspects.

This lady was left by her husband last year, she has 3 young children and he is self employed. She is not receiving hardly anything from him and is struggling to work around 3 young children. She has received some money from their divorce settlement, not a huge sum, but is over the threshold for UC. She's gone from living in what sounds like a lovely home, to being housed in social housing.

It struck a nerve with me, as my mum and I went through similar experiences when I was young, some 30 odd years ago. Of course, it wasn't UC then. We ended up living with my gran, as my mum couldn't afford a house of her own and struggled with childcare for 2 young kids. She made something work but it was a tough time. My dad went on and had 2 more kids and didn't pay a penny towards us.

Everything is so expensive these days. We all would love to believe it would never happen to us. We'd all like to hope our husbands or partners would do the right thing. How this lady is supposed to afford childcare that would support her to financially support 3 children sufficiently is beyond me.

My partner and I have a good relationship (I think), but it seemed so did this lady until hers met a woman he connected with and left her for. I just find it so sad that, from what I experienced as a child, times seem to have not changed so much for single mums. They seem shackled in so many ways. Yes I suppose she could get a mortgage with the money but paying a mortgage and childcare for multiple children, as well as further costs isn't a feasible option. I was actually shocked about how much her social housing costs were. I thought these associations were made to actually help people.

Maybe it's hit a nerve because of my own childhood experiences but I really felt for this woman today. I work full time but know life would be completely different if for any reasons, myself and partner separated. It just highlighted that although people go on about people on benefits, everything when you closer into it is a trap. She said that because she has over a certain amount in savings from the divorce that was given back to her from the sale of the house, she's not applicable for support. It's thrown me into a spin and made me look at my own finances.

Does anyone else feel that no matter which way you go, the government has you by the balls in some way? Between tax, savings etc. I really felt for this lady today and wish I could just do something to help her. You really never know what someone is going through. It's easy for us all to judge a life we don't have, but I know I couldn't have a very decent standard of living on my wages, especially if my partner became and ex who dodges his child support.

We need to pay taxes. You know that thing called school, NHS well it needs to be paid for. The law should make it harder for men to ignore their kids and the financial and emotional support. So many times is the tax payer end up paying through benefits when men ignored their duty. Oh by the way there's another thing we pay taxes for

BooneyBeautiful · 22/04/2026 22:37

cestlavielife · 21/04/2026 13:50

So she has over 16k in savings from the divorce? She can spend that as needed for day to day living and when it is low enough she can claim uc.
If is 100k from divorce then that can pay childcare for a few years so she can work full time.
At least she has council home secure rental

She could use the money from the divorce to put a deposit on a home, and for UC purposes it will be disregarded, but only for six months.

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