Husband insists moon landings were faked and 9/11 was a false flag secret operation the Americans did to themselves

[AmberTigerEyes]

I am désolé
My husband, he tell me he really believe there has never been a moon landing and that the 9/11 attacks were faked too.
I was in New York on 9/11
He knows this
He keeps saying things that have been disproven as conspiracy theory myths.
I wonder if I should be calling for a mental crisis unit.

So what if he thinks that? Your being very condescending. 25% of people think the moon landing is fake. Many conspiracy theories have turned out to be true. Plenty of people also think 9/11 is an inside job, there are loads or documentarys about it if you care to actually look. Of course it's not fake we all saw it happen but there are dubious circumstances around it, including the fact the owner got a huge insurance policy to cover terror attacks just before the event. If you don't agree then fine just talk about other things. You don't comit someone to an institution because they have different ideas to you what kind of dystopia is that!

Have you?
Plus not sure how that relates to, for eg, Obama as president.

That 25% of people are too lacking in critical thinking to work out that it’s easier to go to the moon than not go but also fool Russia and China you’ve been and also leave stuff up there, doesn’t make it condescending to tell one of them you think they are a bit daft.

It was initially secret, with sanitised news coverage coming out in '46. But the full extent of Paperclip, the scientists' identities and horrendous war crimes, and the illegalities that US intelligence engaged in to get them into the country, weren't known about until the 90s when documents were declassified.

It was a massive cover-up/conspiracy.

Cover up and conspiracy aren't synonyms

No, that's true they're not synonyms. But it was a secret, illegal government action that was hidden from the American public for decades - definitely a conspiracy. And I'd say later governments attempted to cover it up!

It was a matter of degree though - they didn’t hide what had happened as such. Not the same as faking a moon landing or a terrorist attack.

No, but you'll notice I also listed several other conspiracies. Take your pick!

Most of the time conspiracy theories are ridiculous, yes - but there are times when the government has actually been conspiring to hide illegal actions from the public.

I don’t disagree. But the high profile ones are so stupid. When governments hide stuff it’s usually quite mundane really - because otherwise it would be near impossible!

Indeed, but the basic point of my post was just to counter the "logic" often trotted out by conspiracists that because folk in the 60s were watching black and white CRT tellies and receiving an analogue signal, that tech was "basic", and therefore humanity would have been incapable of something as ambitious as sticking a man on the moon.

What they also seem to ignore is that even with the resources and brainpower at NASA's disposal, things quite often did still go awry, and it's more good fortune than anything else that the crews who did get off the launchpad all came back alive. So it's not like the tech was rock solid or entirely bombproof, it was sufficient, but even then there was an acceptance that losses and failures would be inevitable across an extended programme. I believe NASA expected a catastrophic failure rate of between 1 in 10 and 1 in 20, so 11 crewed missions without a loss is already pushing the odds.

25% of people think the moon landing is fake

Within that 25% it includes all the people who are just plain old stupid, all the people who are mentally unwell, delusional, and paranoid, and all the people who "do a lot of research" which actually just consists of reading unqualified conspiracy nonsense on the internet.

That doesn't make up the entire 1 in 4, so the question you need to ask, is what is the excuse and agenda of the people who don't meet the above criterion but still insist the moon landings were faked?

If you explore the issue impartially and objectively, there is no cogent, coherent explanation for coming to the conclusion that NASA faked the entire thing. This is only possible if you wilfully choose to ignore evidence and fact, and refuse to acknowledge certain other factors which render the notion of a hoax untenable, i.e. deliberate and contrived ignorance.

Agree with this - if you believe that a large team of people will be this competent,efficient and discreet then I have to wonder if you've ever actually had a job

I can understand that some people say that this is a dealbreaker but the feeling is very mutual.

If I said to a partner that I thought 9/11 was an inside job and he wanted to call a mental health crisis team the relationship would be over 😂not because I'd be in any way worried about the mental health crisis team thinking anything was wrong with my mental health but I couldn't be with someone who was so narrow minded and so quick to panic and label just because someone doubted the official story of something.

They don't have to agree with my conclusion of the event, but to be convinced by the official story of something that you automatically leap to 'mental health crisis' when someone doesn't believe it, because you're so brainwashed to believe that anyone who doubts the official story is a nutter, is as much of an extremist view as the people who think that lizard people are planting microchips in them or whatever they think, it's just the opposite end of the spectrum.

but there are dubious circumstances around it, including the fact the owner got a huge insurance policy to cover terror attacks just before the event.

Sigh. The Port Authority of NY owns the land the buildings were on. Larry Silverstein, a real estate developer, took a 99 year lease on the buildings in July 2001. After taking on the lease, he did what most commercial landlords do and got insurance. I doubt highly that there are any commercially let skyscrapers in New York that don't (or didn't at the time) have terrorism coverage. Additionally, there had been a previous terror attack on the WTC in 1993 when a bomb was exploded in the garage (iirc), killing I think 5 people and injuring a lot. He would have had to have been too stupid to live to have taken on the building without insurance with a terrorism clause. The payout did not cover the costs of rebuilding the site.

The short of it being, there was no benefit whatsoever to him.

But when the belief is demonstrably nutty?

correction: if you believe a team of CIVIL SERVANTS can do all this ….. then you haven’t worked for government!

There's a difference between demonstrably nutty and just not believing the official story when there is often a lot to back up what the person believes.

It's when people can't differentiate between them that I have an issue with, I would not be compatible with someone like that.

To give an example, I didn't get the covid jab, why? The long term data wasn't out yet so instead I decided I'd rather take my chances with the virus. I wasn't watching videos or listening to people who believed this was a major conspiracy etc. So there was no conspiracy for me. I just didn't want the jab and that was that.

A friend of mine had a neighbour who was part of a small group, maybe 3 or 4 people who would meet up and discuss what was going on and she was trying to recruit my friend, I can't remember the story but it was something to do with how covid was engineered because it was something to do with pedophiles and these people who believed this were planning on moving to those foreign country to form a community in some cliffs or something like that...can't remember exactly but they were obviously extremist beliefs and I would be extremely concerned if this was a family member.

Yet some, will put everyone who didn't want the jabs in the same category, someone who just wasn't sure about a new vaccine is lumped in with someone who has extremely out there views.

Also important to note, I didn't get the swine flu jab either when I was pregnant for the exact same reason, and my doc at the time didn't want me to get it either.

Absolutely no one called me a conspiracy theorist for that one, people just respected my decision. My thought process and reasoning was the exact same for both, but for one I got labelled as a conspiracy theorist because the media and other people decided to spread that narrative, rather than just accepting, ok some people are concerned because the vaccine is new.

So I think jumping to making out people are nuts just because they don't believe or trust the official story is just as extreme as the people who think lizard people are implanting microchips. They believe that because they've bought into the very convenient narrative that if someone refuses to conform and buy into the official story it's because they're completely mental.

Obama doesn’t feature in them, unsurprisingly.
Bill Clinton, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates I would assume you have heard of. They all visited Epsteins Island and travelled on the Lolita Express. I haven’t read all 3.5 million documents, but we know that Donald Trump is featured more times in the files than Jesus is in the bible. You can go to the Department of Justice website and read the available files if you have the stomach for it.
Another thing to consider is that Epstein had strong links to Israel and Maxwell to Mossad - and some people believe he was a spy for the Israeli government. He would take photos and secretly record powerful people in compromising positions and use it as blackmail. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Some people also believe that Israel have a video of Trump rapping a child.

None of that suggests any other president was as corrupt as Trump.

It can affect mental health, but then so can the news.

My son (college age) with ADHD can be miserable when he gets obsessed with the news. I got him to delete twitter and he's much happier for it.

I was just as obsessed with the news and politics etc at his age and I was so miserable, felt so much better when I stopped obsessing over it.

I also had a period of time where I was addicted to reading autobiographies from people who had been abused by the Catholic church as children or women from the Magdalene homes etc. It had a severe affect on my mood so I stopped that too.

I know 2 women who are posting about what's happening in Gaza all day long, I never see one of them but see the other one quite a lot and she's so negatively affected by it.

If anyone obsesses over anything that's negative or cruel or that they think is sinister then there's a good chance it's going to affect them negatively, whether it's conspiracy theories or the news.

But a lot of people have balance with what they consume. I will follow the news but not obsessively, I may read news stories about Magdalene home survivors etc but I wouldn't buy books one after the other like before, same with conspiracy theories, I might take an interest in reading about one occasionally but I don't get obsessed or read about them or think about them all the time.

My sentiments exactly

I work nights in the nhs now. It was autocorrect and I was exhausted. I didn’t even see it till now

km also not scientifically superior. I just said I understand science and understand why the government can’t be dropping nano technology into our skins.

unless you can prove other wise ?

also it’s not very nice to put people who can’t spell down and assume that all of them are stupid?

the most intelligent man I know who was one of the team who built the first MRI machine and software development of it within Harvard university has dyslexia and can’t spell. Does that make him not intelligent? I think in today’s day and age we must understand that spelling can be because of a variety of reasons and doesn’t make someone stupid.

there is also no need to put people with difficulties with spelling down so much.

lots of people have lots of reasons for spelling grammar and all sorts of mistakes. Give them a little break occasionally.

my daughter is significantly dyslexic and it really pains me when people are so nasty and rude and continue to put her down because of that. She’s a truly wonderful girl who would never do that to someone else.

people aren’t infallible and people make mistakes.

I typed 'affect' yesterday on this thread when I should have typed 'effect'.

In the past I would never normally make those mistakes and would never have had to think about them but due to a ton of stress and trauma I now have symptoms of dyslexia😂 I regularly get mixed up between J and Y and things like that. So yes, there is all sorts of reasons for people mixing things up, and even if there is no reason other than that person just isn't strong at spelling or remembering commonly mixed up words then I still don't understand why people feel the need to comment on it to try to make someone feel stupid.

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Space docking gets me every time! Manoeuvre a small, ungainly object, with minimal steering capabilities, into an exact position on another small object floating in the vacuum of the universe. I'm surprised it doesn't go wrong more often.