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Labour figures warn welfare spending is crowding out defence priorities

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ProudAmberTurtle · 15/04/2026 06:50

Many have been saying this for months but it's surprising to now see it coming from inside the Labour tent.

Lord Robertson – the former head of NATO, Tony Blair’s defence secretary and the man Keir Starmer personally asked to write the government’s Strategic Defence Review – has said Britain’s national security is “in peril” because of “corrosive complacency” on defence.

His big line: “We cannot defend Britain with an ever-expanding welfare budget.” He basically says the welfare bill is now five times what we spend on defence and that’s the wrong priority when the world is this dangerous.

This is a senior Labour grandee who is still advising Starmer! What’s even more interesting is that other senior Labour figures like former defence secretary Geoff Hoon are echoing the same concerns about getting our defence spending sorted.

Apparently, if the government abandoned its Net Zero targets, reversed the lifting of the two child benefit cap and stopped giving Scotland tens of billions more than it raises in tax every year, then there would be more than enough to increase defence spending by 50% and still reduce other taxes.

Surely that should be our priority right now?

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kinkytoes · 15/04/2026 06:55

Well they tried to reduce the welfare budget and look what happened!

I do think defence should be a priority yes, and all the things you listed OP should also be looked at.

hattie43 · 15/04/2026 07:27

You cannot properly run a country on socialist ideals . I’m not sure why people find that surprising.

Amiacoolorwarmcolour · 15/04/2026 07:28

I agree. Welfare spending is out of control.

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Amiacoolorwarmcolour · 15/04/2026 07:30

There needs to be a political party who actually stands for working people.
Not those at the extreme ends who are either very wealthy or live a life on welfare.
Those who actually pay the taxes which subsidise both ends.

Hohumitsreallyallthereis · 16/04/2026 09:08

I read recently that the English welfare bill now exceeds income tax revenue. Unbelievable. Something has to change.

MajesticWhine · 16/04/2026 09:16

Yes this should be the priority. But our spineless government cannot be trusted to do the right thing and will merrily keep on increasing welfare spending to buy votes whilst ignoring the things the country desperately needs.

OriginalUsername2 · 16/04/2026 09:25

Time for business owners to pay a living wage or fold, rather than being propped up by the government topping people up with UC. It’s unsustainable!

stealthninjamum · 16/04/2026 09:32

I don’t think it’s as simple as abandoning net zero targets, surely reducing our dependence on gas and oil from abroad can only be a good thing as we wouldn’t be so affected by international events. And if we could get renewables right (I think I read somewhere we’re world leaders in offshore wind farm technology) and reduce our electricity bills it would help the environment and economic growth. It’s a complicated subject - which I don’t fully understand- but I don’t think abandoning it would be beneficial in the long run.

WaryCrow · 16/04/2026 09:49

They need to tax the billionaires starting with the royal family. The broken asylum system is another area that could be looked at. Why has it been left to the BBC to investigate this?

YorkieTheRabbit · 16/04/2026 10:10

The welfare cost is over £330 billion per year, if you took every penny from billionaires, I doubt it would make much of a difference in the long term. The cost needs scaling down.

MissMarplesNiece · 16/04/2026 10:15

Lord Robertson is a paid adviser/lobbyist to US arms manufacturer. Tells me all I need to know about why he'd like the Gov to increase defence spending.

Smeuse · 16/04/2026 10:17

Why are you not mentioning that Lord Robertson ins a paid senior adviser to a US Defence Lobbyist @ProudAmberTurtle ?

MaidsRoom · 16/04/2026 10:29

OriginalUsername2 · 16/04/2026 09:25

Time for business owners to pay a living wage or fold, rather than being propped up by the government topping people up with UC. It’s unsustainable!

I trust you won’t complain when a coffee is £8, a pint £12, a McDonalds meal £20 per head and your children’s state school charges £1000 per term top up fees because they need to pay the teaching assistants £40k so they can raise two children on a singe income without UC.

Because that’s what would have to happen if wages were to rise to such a level that UC top ups weren’t necessary.

ProudAmberTurtle · 16/04/2026 10:47

Smeuse · 16/04/2026 10:17

Why are you not mentioning that Lord Robertson ins a paid senior adviser to a US Defence Lobbyist @ProudAmberTurtle ?

Are you saying we can't trust ex Labour ministers to tell the truth about departments they ran because they're corrupt?

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OriginalUsername2 · 16/04/2026 10:54

MaidsRoom · 16/04/2026 10:29

I trust you won’t complain when a coffee is £8, a pint £12, a McDonalds meal £20 per head and your children’s state school charges £1000 per term top up fees because they need to pay the teaching assistants £40k so they can raise two children on a singe income without UC.

Because that’s what would have to happen if wages were to rise to such a level that UC top ups weren’t necessary.

My comment was parody of the people that moan about tax payers money going towards welfare and how unsustainable it is.

Your comment shows how it’s not so simple.

Cutting welfare also means higher wages and higher prices.

You shift one thing, everything else shifts around too.

SalemSaberhagen99 · 16/04/2026 10:57

This is why labour always get replaced

Smeuse · 16/04/2026 10:59

ProudAmberTurtle · 16/04/2026 10:47

Are you saying we can't trust ex Labour ministers to tell the truth about departments they ran because they're corrupt?

No

EasternStandard · 16/04/2026 11:01

SalemSaberhagen99 · 16/04/2026 10:57

This is why labour always get replaced

Probably.

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