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Do you remember this Covid news footage?

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Sitonyourdressmavis · 19/02/2026 09:00

Chatting to SIL last night and we were remembering news footage we watched before the Christmas of Covid when the news was coming out of China about this virus. We clearly remember watching as a family news footage (would have been on BBC normal news not online) from China of people collapsing and fitting in the streets then being zipped up on stretchers and body bags and loaded into a black and yellow van by hazmat suited doctors/army. We all clearly remember this , it was not a film. What was this footage? Covid didn't present like that at all? We remember being really scared. SiL is a nurse and we remember her saying "what the hell is this thing"
Anyone else remember this footage?

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lifeisgoodrightnow · 21/02/2026 15:23

MotherofPufflings · 21/02/2026 15:19

Can you quote the section that backs up "twitter activity for ‘pneumonia’ worldwide chat from 15/12/2019 had clearly increased significantly over prior flu seasons"

We analyze data from Twitter to uncover early-warning signals of COVID-19 outbreaks in Europe in the winter season 2019–2020, before the first public announcements of local sources of infection were made. We show evidence that unexpected levels of concerns about cases of pneumonia were raised across a number of European countries.

then

Figure 1a shows the cumulative distribution functions of the normalized number of tweets mentioning the word “pneumonia” in the selected European countries: France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Poland, Spain, UK. To better understand the change in slope exhibited by the curves in the first few weeks of 2020, for each country we conducted a two-sample Kolmogorov–Smirnov (K–S) test of the null hypothesis that the cumulative distributions over two corresponding winter seasons (2018–2019 and 2019–2020) are the same against the alternative hypothesis that they differ. Figure 1b suggests that, with the exception of Germany, the distributions in the two winter seasons are statistically different for all countries: at the 0.10 level of significance for Poland, and at the 0.05 level of significance for the remaining countries (see also Supplementary Table S1 for the details on the specific time periods in which the distributions differ). To check for robustness, we also computed the Anderson–Darling (A–D) test and obtained similar results (Supplementary Fig. S1; Supplementary Table S2). Finally, we further performed similar robustness checks (i.e., KS and AD tests) by comparing the 2019–2020 winter season with each of the corresponding winter seasons since 2014 (i.e., 2014–2015, 2015–2016, 2016–2017, 2017–2018, and 2018–2019), and obtained similar findings (Supplementary Figs. S2, S3; Supplementary Tables S3, S4).

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With the exception of Germany, the series of cumulative mentions of pneumonia unmask unexpected statistically significant variations in public interest in pneumonia-related cases already in January 2020 (Fig. 1a). Interestingly, findings suggest a significant increase in tweets mentioning pneumonia in most of the selected European countries well before the outbreak of COVID-19 was officially reported in the news. In Italy, for example, where the first lockdown measures to contain an emerging threat of endemic COVID-19 infections were introduced on 22 February 2020, the rate of increase in mentions of pneumonia during the first few weeks of 2020 (shaded bar B, inset of Fig. 1a) substantially differs from the rate observed in the same weeks in 2019

MotherofPufflings · 21/02/2026 15:25

lifeisgoodrightnow · 21/02/2026 15:23

We analyze data from Twitter to uncover early-warning signals of COVID-19 outbreaks in Europe in the winter season 2019–2020, before the first public announcements of local sources of infection were made. We show evidence that unexpected levels of concerns about cases of pneumonia were raised across a number of European countries.

then

Figure 1a shows the cumulative distribution functions of the normalized number of tweets mentioning the word “pneumonia” in the selected European countries: France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Poland, Spain, UK. To better understand the change in slope exhibited by the curves in the first few weeks of 2020, for each country we conducted a two-sample Kolmogorov–Smirnov (K–S) test of the null hypothesis that the cumulative distributions over two corresponding winter seasons (2018–2019 and 2019–2020) are the same against the alternative hypothesis that they differ. Figure 1b suggests that, with the exception of Germany, the distributions in the two winter seasons are statistically different for all countries: at the 0.10 level of significance for Poland, and at the 0.05 level of significance for the remaining countries (see also Supplementary Table S1 for the details on the specific time periods in which the distributions differ). To check for robustness, we also computed the Anderson–Darling (A–D) test and obtained similar results (Supplementary Fig. S1; Supplementary Table S2). Finally, we further performed similar robustness checks (i.e., KS and AD tests) by comparing the 2019–2020 winter season with each of the corresponding winter seasons since 2014 (i.e., 2014–2015, 2015–2016, 2016–2017, 2017–2018, and 2018–2019), and obtained similar findings (Supplementary Figs. S2, S3; Supplementary Tables S3, S4).

and

With the exception of Germany, the series of cumulative mentions of pneumonia unmask unexpected statistically significant variations in public interest in pneumonia-related cases already in January 2020 (Fig. 1a). Interestingly, findings suggest a significant increase in tweets mentioning pneumonia in most of the selected European countries well before the outbreak of COVID-19 was officially reported in the news. In Italy, for example, where the first lockdown measures to contain an emerging threat of endemic COVID-19 infections were introduced on 22 February 2020, the rate of increase in mentions of pneumonia during the first few weeks of 2020 (shaded bar B, inset of Fig. 1a) substantially differs from the rate observed in the same weeks in 2019

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So, not worldwide then. And not even all European countries.

VibesCurator · 21/02/2026 15:28

Yes I remember this too. I remember thinking it's bs as I was watching it

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lifeisgoodrightnow · 21/02/2026 15:28

MotherofPufflings · 21/02/2026 15:25

So, not worldwide then. And not even all European countries.

lol. Ok Europe except Germany. Happy now?

MotherofPufflings · 21/02/2026 15:31

lifeisgoodrightnow · 21/02/2026 15:28

lol. Ok Europe except Germany. Happy now?

But it wasn't even all European countries (excepting Germany) by 15 December! Just some.

Okiedokie123 · 21/02/2026 15:31

Interesting. I’m shocked that apparently the BBC didn’t report about Covid until 12thJanuary. I remember that I knew about it as a worrying issue very soon after Christmas Day (definitely in December not January) and I became concerned sooner than the 12th Jan.

WonderfulSmith · 21/02/2026 15:36

Okiedokie123 · 21/02/2026 15:31

Interesting. I’m shocked that apparently the BBC didn’t report about Covid until 12thJanuary. I remember that I knew about it as a worrying issue very soon after Christmas Day (definitely in December not January) and I became concerned sooner than the 12th Jan.

Where did you hear about it? It wasn’t in the newspapers either before January.

WonderfulSmith · 21/02/2026 15:44

A Reddit user has done the leg work for us and found the earliest mentions they can.
Makes interesting reading.
www.reddit.com/u/biznatch11/s/6HHjHMDDVp

Puttingonabraveface247 · 21/02/2026 15:47

Yes. This sticks in my memory too. It was horrific.

lifeisgoodrightnow · 21/02/2026 15:53

MotherofPufflings · 21/02/2026 15:31

But it wasn't even all European countries (excepting Germany) by 15 December! Just some.

do you accept the study showed statistically significant increased mention of pneumonia and dry cough over previous years? Which they later found to be the early chat about what became known as Covid ?

WarrenTofficier · 21/02/2026 15:58

WonderfulSmith · 21/02/2026 15:44

A Reddit user has done the leg work for us and found the earliest mentions they can.
Makes interesting reading.
www.reddit.com/u/biznatch11/s/6HHjHMDDVp

So they agree that the whistle blowing by the Dr on 30th December coincides with the first traceable mentions on social media or MSM globally but dozens of Mums netters are 100% certain that they were discussing this over Christmas lunch a week earlier, and the OP was watching footage on the BBC another week before that. But none of them can provide any evidence of these discussions.

Brewtiful · 21/02/2026 15:58

lifeisgoodrightnow · 21/02/2026 15:53

do you accept the study showed statistically significant increased mention of pneumonia and dry cough over previous years? Which they later found to be the early chat about what became known as Covid ?

But was it actually that the uptick in mentions related to what became COVID? COVID wasn't present in all these countries in significant enough numbers in December 2019 for people to be posting about it on social media. It could just be that they were posting about people who had flu/pneumonia as they do every year. It doesn't mean it was early proof that people knew about COVID?

MotherofPufflings · 21/02/2026 16:03

I accept that the authors conclude that there was an increase in tweets mentioning symptoms associated with covid symptoms in some European countries before covid was officially recognised.

This thread is about whether it was widely known, or whether there were media reports, about a viral illness in China before the middle of January. This paper does not support that because the authors deliberately removed any tweets linked to media stories and covid-related keywords because they were attempting to minimise bias. So, frankly the paper is completely irrelevant to this thread anyway.

lifeisgoodrightnow · 21/02/2026 16:10

MotherofPufflings · 21/02/2026 16:03

I accept that the authors conclude that there was an increase in tweets mentioning symptoms associated with covid symptoms in some European countries before covid was officially recognised.

This thread is about whether it was widely known, or whether there were media reports, about a viral illness in China before the middle of January. This paper does not support that because the authors deliberately removed any tweets linked to media stories and covid-related keywords because they were attempting to minimise bias. So, frankly the paper is completely irrelevant to this thread anyway.

it is entirely relevant to all the posts that are saying there was nothing in the media prior to 31/12/19. Not only is twitter media the fact they removed the tweets including urls and media reports shows they WERE there.

lifeisgoodrightnow · 21/02/2026 16:10

Brewtiful · 21/02/2026 15:58

But was it actually that the uptick in mentions related to what became COVID? COVID wasn't present in all these countries in significant enough numbers in December 2019 for people to be posting about it on social media. It could just be that they were posting about people who had flu/pneumonia as they do every year. It doesn't mean it was early proof that people knew about COVID?

Yes.

lifeisgoodrightnow · 21/02/2026 16:11

Even the op seems to have had enough of this circular discussion so I’ll say bye to you all.

MotherofPufflings · 21/02/2026 16:22

lifeisgoodrightnow · 21/02/2026 16:10

it is entirely relevant to all the posts that are saying there was nothing in the media prior to 31/12/19. Not only is twitter media the fact they removed the tweets including urls and media reports shows they WERE there.

But as far as I can tell we don't know where in the world the tweets they removed were from, nor when these tweets were dated. So again, not proof. But you've left the thread anyway 😆

WonderfulSmith · 21/02/2026 16:29

WarrenTofficier · 21/02/2026 15:58

So they agree that the whistle blowing by the Dr on 30th December coincides with the first traceable mentions on social media or MSM globally but dozens of Mums netters are 100% certain that they were discussing this over Christmas lunch a week earlier, and the OP was watching footage on the BBC another week before that. But none of them can provide any evidence of these discussions.

That’s it. All these MN users who didn’t mention it on MN either.

igelkott2026 · 21/02/2026 16:30

CmonBobby · 19/02/2026 09:14

The very first mention of COVID on BBC News was on 12/01/20 and it was presented by a guy called Rick Preston and it was a fairly anodyne report. I’ve just watched it.
It is easily googled.

I remember seeing a small article in the Times - probably around 5th Jan as I had been away for a few days (good job as things turned out, it was the last overseas break until 2022!). Nothing before that though. It was just saying there was a new virus circulating in China but nothing alarmist.

busyd4y · 21/02/2026 16:32

WarrenTofficier · 21/02/2026 15:58

So they agree that the whistle blowing by the Dr on 30th December coincides with the first traceable mentions on social media or MSM globally but dozens of Mums netters are 100% certain that they were discussing this over Christmas lunch a week earlier, and the OP was watching footage on the BBC another week before that. But none of them can provide any evidence of these discussions.

Not only that but I remember at the time a large number or posters or their family members definitely had Covid before the acknowledged patient zero, even on this thread we see it.

It's some kind of a scientific and knowledge anomaly that needs to be properly investigated imo. Mumnsnetters would be used as canaries for future pandemics for sure

igelkott2026 · 21/02/2026 16:35

I remember having a telephone conversation with my mum sometime in January and she was talking about how many people she knew in her village had flu.

I said "oh the flu vaccine couldn't have been the right strain this year".

Later we wondered if it had been covid. But if that was the case, why did all those people recover, and those who caught it from March onwards often didn't? The people my mum mentioned were all ill for a few days and recovered. So I don't think it was covid and it might not have even been flu, just some other horrible virus.

Edited: my DH had a horrible virus in Feb 2019. If it had been Feb 2020 we'd have thought it was covid.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 21/02/2026 16:36

I was coming on to say that I remember reports of pneumonia/ a virus that was circulating in China at that time, but it wasn't reported as COVID then as the nature of the virus hadn't been identified.

WarrenTofficier · 21/02/2026 16:37

busyd4y · 21/02/2026 16:32

Not only that but I remember at the time a large number or posters or their family members definitely had Covid before the acknowledged patient zero, even on this thread we see it.

It's some kind of a scientific and knowledge anomaly that needs to be properly investigated imo. Mumnsnetters would be used as canaries for future pandemics for sure

Yep, we had a very unexpected (i.e. not elderly or vulnerable) death in the family following a short, probably viral illness in early November '19. I'm sure those posters would have put that down to covid but obviously it wasn't.