Grooming trial collapsed over jury WhatsApp group

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Apparently we can't call people stupid. Only that they identify as stupid.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0ke14er8djo

Can you say..... I'm identifying you as stupid.....

What fucking idiots. There should be some way to hold them responsible for the costs incurred by collapsing a trial.

I wouldn't argue.

It's not like they weren't warned.

I wonder if it's too late for any criminal charges ?

I understand the temptation must be strong to watch material relating to your trial, but to admit to doing so in a WhatsApp group after another member told you it could collapse the trial?! That is absolutely amoeba sized brain activity at its finest.

Would you want to be tried by people this dim ?

Half of people are dumber than average, that’s the risk of jurors being random members of the public

What absolute morons. Things like this are used to undermine jury trial as a whole. I hope these people are retried, but what a waste of time and money. The jurors should be prosecuted.

Well David Lammy will scrap them soon... Does seem to add some weight to his changes 🙄

Definitely not. But I guess if it's a fair representation (or randomly selected sample) of the population where the crimes took place then that's how jury selection is meant to work isn't it? Though obviously it's good they weeded them out. Thank God some of the jurors were in fact honest!

They could have just been fucking it up on purpose because they didn't actually want to sit through the trial?

I hope they could just carry it on using the spare ones? They usually have a sort of B team of jurors don't they?

I think they should be held in contempt. It’s very clear what it and is not permitted as a juror. Fine them at the least to try and recoup some of the costs, not to mention prolonging the agony of the victims in this case.

I think the judge moved to a retrial.

Thus guaranteeing the victims more trauma.

Still, at least the vigilante jurors did their bit to keep the streets safe.

Unfortunately after sitting on another jury again this year I now think this is a good idea.

I have been thinking for some time that I wouldn't want a trial by jury. Not just because of general stupidity, but complete lack of respect for the law throughout society.

so technically, they have "conspired" with the defendants. Can they be tried as accessories?

Perverting the course of justice ?

there definitely needs to be a very harsh punishment: pour encourager les autres

Shot on the deck of a ship ?

In this weather ?

Bit harsh, non ?

And a real problem when the intelligent people get themselves out of jury duty! And then there is what is left...

what? No! how do you think that would work?

Courts usually call more people as potential jurors than those who actually end up listening to cases, yes, but the pool changes every week. The trial had been going on for months, how on earth do you think a 'B team' of reserve jurors would catch up?

How could you expect them to have the same view of the evidence if they just flicked through some transcripts as the jurors who actually witnessed all the evidence live?

If the defendants did get convicted that would be the first thing they'd cite in their appeal - half the jury didn't even hear my evidence first hand so didn't give me a fair hearing. If you're going to have jurors who haven't actually witnessed the evidence, what's the point in even having a jury at all?

All this feels deliberate.

Sorry. You're right. I was thinking that they would have that but of course it would be only right at the very beginning. And some trials, like this, go on for months.

I'm not very well educated in law so I apologise. I agree with what you're saying totally.

If you think all the judiciary have respect for the law, I've got a Judge Kemp to introduce you to...

As for this trial, I agree with a PP that it feels deliberate. You say you're going to watch a TV prog, but don't, and they've got nothing to get you on afaik.

Judge Kemp is far from the only one unfortunately.

I read that story and my first thought was "some people are just oxygen thieves."

If those grooming rapists aren't convicted, the dipstick jurors are entirely to blame. I don't believe in god but I'd have hell for people like that who subject th victims to yet more trauma.

i am wondering if there is more to this? Jury tampering was my second thought after "stupid fucking wankers who don't care about women and girls"