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Is it legal to not pay an employee mandatory training for a new job?

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PlatinumEdition · 28/11/2025 10:03

DD17, is studying beauty therapy at college. Last month she landed herself a Saturday job (also covering holidays and one evening a week). The job is minimum wage, so £7.55 per hour. It is also zero contract hours. She has never been given a contract though.

When she first started they requested she come in for 3 separate training sessions. Two evenings at 3 hours each and a full Saturday which was around 6 hours, so approx 12 hours in total. The Saturday one was actually on the job training with clients. She was not paid for these training sessions, the boss told DD that it isn't their policy to do so. We let this go as the job is related to her college course and we thought it would be good experience for her and to get a foot in the door.

She has worked around 5 Saturdays and 4 evenings since she started late last month (all work paid via bank transfer at the end of each session, thankfully). They have however, messed her about several times, for example they asked her to come in last Thursday at 5pm but when she turned up the place was dark and locked and no one answered her calls, eventually they called her to tell her to come back an hour later so she had to hang around as it wasn't worth her driving back home.

The owner is never in on a Saturday and dd has to converse and liaise with the other Saturday girl (the two job share alternative Saturdays). This girl is only 16 and seems to run the show even though she has only been there a year. DD was often asked to do tasks she hasn't been shown how to do or trained for and if she messages the boss asking for help she is told to message this 16 year old who is often unavailable via text (as she is not working), the boss is also often unavailable so DD has to ask one of the people working at the building (beauty therapists, hairdressers, nail technicians etc) who all simply rent the rooms and are not employed so have no clue themselves.

The week after DD started she was given the keys to open and lock up and basically left to it whilst the owner and the other Saturday girl went on holiday for 2 weeks (separately from each other). When the other girl returned she asked for the keys and hasn't ever returned them back to dd. The whole thing seems flaky and unprofessional. Yesterday dd messaged the owner asking what time she was to start that evening and heard nothing all day then received a phone call at 5pm from the boss stating that she is letting dd go. She gave no real explanation for this decision. I can't help but wonder if they just took dd on to cover for the time they were both on holiday (the ad for the job even stated the applicant needed to be available for those dates).

DD is so upset as the job is in the industry she is training for and she was really enjoying it. The owner had a bloody cheeky to tell her, after she said she had to let her go, that dd is more than welcome to come and do her 30 hours of unpaid work experience (required by the college) with them, whenever she likes.

I am so upset for dd and am now wondering if this unpaid mandatory training is actually even legal - is it? Is it worth asking ACAS? DD was talking to a friend of a friend last night and has found out this place did the same thing to her a year or two back. I'd hate to think this business is taking advantage of young, inexperienced people just starting out in the working world.

Or do we just move on and DD chalk it up to a shitty life experience?

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ThirdStorm · 28/11/2025 10:06

She must be paid for training, otherwise she is paid below NMW. ACAS is a good starting point to make a claim for unpaid wages but you might consider telling HMRC as they take a very dim view of this and will investigate the company.

Trying81 · 28/11/2025 10:06

It breaches NMW - report them to HMRC

PlatinumEdition · 28/11/2025 10:09

Thank you, I will look into reporting them today.

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Theyreeatingthedogs · 28/11/2025 10:12

What a shitty way to treat your DD. I'd go after them with everything I have. It wouldn't surprise me if this is typical behaviour from them.

Wreckinball · 28/11/2025 10:13

Makes you wonder if this business is a front for something more shady. She should leave and find a better firm that value staff for a start

Deliberations · 28/11/2025 10:17

I just got this from the ACOS website...
"Mandatory training' is any training your employer says you need to do.
Whether you get paid for time spent on mandatory training can depend on your contract.
If you're legally classed as an employee or worker and started working for your employer after 6 April 2020, any mandatory training must be in your contract. Your employer must set it out in your 'written statement of employment particulars'. This includes mandatory training the employer does not pay for."

So as your daughter didn't receive any contact Ii think you'll find it hard to prove she was classed as an employee at the time. I saw some social media posts the other day stating training for Jet2Holidays air cabin crew training is unpaid... so unpaid training is obviously a thing that happens.

However this employer clearly treated your daughter appallingly. I think she could tell her college about it - so they can make other students aware of this particular place and advise them to avoid it. Also so the college doesn't send anyone there on work experience.

IU hope your daughter can find someone better to do her work experience hours.

Types of employment status - Employment status - Acas

How to work out employment status and how it affects employment rights.

https://www.acas.org.uk/employment-status

CoffeeBeansGalore · 28/11/2025 10:20

The company has treated your dd appallingly. They do not deserve any free work experience from her, or anyone else for that matter.
Can the hours she has already worked be counted towards the 30 required?

Definitely report to HMRC, and I would also inform the college what has happened so they don't recommend this firm to any other students looking for work experience.

PlatinumEdition · 28/11/2025 10:21

Theyreeatingthedogs I feel like doing so, it's really shitty.

Wreckinball it has crossed my mind tbh.

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PlatinumEdition · 28/11/2025 10:22

Deliberations · 28/11/2025 10:17

I just got this from the ACOS website...
"Mandatory training' is any training your employer says you need to do.
Whether you get paid for time spent on mandatory training can depend on your contract.
If you're legally classed as an employee or worker and started working for your employer after 6 April 2020, any mandatory training must be in your contract. Your employer must set it out in your 'written statement of employment particulars'. This includes mandatory training the employer does not pay for."

So as your daughter didn't receive any contact Ii think you'll find it hard to prove she was classed as an employee at the time. I saw some social media posts the other day stating training for Jet2Holidays air cabin crew training is unpaid... so unpaid training is obviously a thing that happens.

However this employer clearly treated your daughter appallingly. I think she could tell her college about it - so they can make other students aware of this particular place and advise them to avoid it. Also so the college doesn't send anyone there on work experience.

IU hope your daughter can find someone better to do her work experience hours.

Thank you, that's so helpful.

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CoffeeBeansGalore · 28/11/2025 10:22

Sorry x posted with @Deliberations . Great minds!

PlatinumEdition · 28/11/2025 10:23

CoffeeBeansGalore · 28/11/2025 10:20

The company has treated your dd appallingly. They do not deserve any free work experience from her, or anyone else for that matter.
Can the hours she has already worked be counted towards the 30 required?

Definitely report to HMRC, and I would also inform the college what has happened so they don't recommend this firm to any other students looking for work experience.

Oh, I've not considered that, yeas, hopefully they can go towards the work experience. Thanks for pointing that out.

We will definitely tell the college so they steer clear from them.

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AlltheHedgehogsontheWall · 28/11/2025 12:33

No, it's not legal. The same thing happened to me when I worked at KFC when I was 17- I took them to small claims court and they had to pay me back plus the cost of making the claim.

PlatinumEdition · 28/11/2025 19:47

AlltheHedgehogsontheWall · 28/11/2025 12:33

No, it's not legal. The same thing happened to me when I worked at KFC when I was 17- I took them to small claims court and they had to pay me back plus the cost of making the claim.

Good on you for doing that. I imagine too many young people are completely taken advantage of when they first enter the workforce.

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Oblomov25 · 28/11/2025 22:11

I'd still write down any unpaid hours and send an e-mail requesting payment. Yes no contract, but I bet they wouldn't like a threat of small claims court case, (which btw is very easy to do, and the costs minimal).

PlatinumEdition · 29/11/2025 11:10

Oblomov25 · 28/11/2025 22:11

I'd still write down any unpaid hours and send an e-mail requesting payment. Yes no contract, but I bet they wouldn't like a threat of small claims court case, (which btw is very easy to do, and the costs minimal).

Thanks, we will do that.

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