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If today’s crop of post budget threads are anything to go by…

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CurlewKate · 27/11/2025 21:37

we should just go straight back to work houses. I’m sure we could boost the economy by having children working in factories or making mass market clothes.

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DustyMaiden · 29/11/2025 14:53

Locutus2000 · 28/11/2025 14:36

Kinda need to see your sums on that one, and whatever strawman scenario you have invented.

No strawmen involved. Do they get more for them?
single women
3 children £300 per week child care
works 16 hrs a week. Wages £1800 per month. Rent £1200.

I understand your reaction, that was mine.

Allseeingallknowing · 29/11/2025 15:09

SecretSoul · 28/11/2025 04:01

^^That explanation makes more sense.

I’m on Universal Credit, reading these threads and wondering how on earth people get so much! We don’t receive anything like this.

Until very recently, we only got the standard allowance which is roughly £600 for us both, plus a further £600 roughly as we have two DC. That’s £1200 total. That’s all we got for years (until I applied for DLA for the DC this year).

DP had a well-paid job in IT until he collapsed four years ago. He’s been told he’ll never be able to work again - but he doesn’t qualify for PIP.

I am self-employed. I had a senior position in a FTSE 100 company until DC were born prematurely and with disabilities (twins). I had to stop working in my very well-paid job and set up my business to keep a roof over our heads (I wasn’t with DP at this point - he’s not the bio father). I also had to care for my dearly departed dad single-handedly (who had Huntington’s disease and had deteriorated) at the same time as setting up a business and being a single mum to premature twin babies, both with disabilities.

I now care for my DM who has cerebral palsy, dementia, and cancer, who lives with me, plus I still obviously care for my two disabled DC. At age 16, one is still in nappies and both need assistance with showering, eating, and are unable to even cross a road alone. This probably won’t ever change and I doubt they’ll ever live independently. Oh, and I also have to help my DP with daily life as his condition is never getting better.

I work between everything else, as much as I can. I’m still up working now at 4am, and taking a break while I eat biscuits 😂 I’m taking mum to the hospital in the morning.

I have been providing care around the clock, literally 24/7, for 16 years now. I haven’t had a holiday in 12 years. I work - in my business - really bloody hard alongside providing constant care.

People seem to think I’m raking it in on benefits. £1200 was all we received in benefits. Not a penny more. And if I earned over £600 in a month from my self-employment, that £1200 was reduced.

I have no clue how some people get so much in Universal Credit!

For everyone that’s raging about those on Universal Credit, please understand that a) many of us are in really difficult circumstances that aren’t linked to a poor lifestyle or decisions and b) that many of us get a much smaller sum than you have been led to believe.

Oh, and to the PP that suggested we all spend our benefits on alcohol and cigarettes - I don’t drink or smoke. And neither does DP. Sorry.

Sounds very generous to me!

CoraLea · 29/11/2025 15:15

CurlewKate · 27/11/2025 21:37

we should just go straight back to work houses. I’m sure we could boost the economy by having children working in factories or making mass market clothes.

Or people take responsibility for their own children, choices, and ability to provide and have children accordingly.

CoraLea · 29/11/2025 15:17

Surely the responsible people that pay these taxes are going to have less children, leaving people that are net takers to have more, to what end??

ChrisMartinsKisskam · 29/11/2025 15:45

The majority of those that are on UC have been moved over from Tax credits / Legacy benefits
I don’t think ( personally ) there are more people claiming UC just that they have all been moved over in the last 18 months

Allseeingallknowing · 29/11/2025 15:56

Apparently a family with 5 children will get an extra £900 per month!

Allseeingallknowing · 29/11/2025 16:15

Wishihadanalgorithm · 28/11/2025 03:39

I grew up in the 80s in poverty. Even then, I realised that the benefits my dad got (as he literally stopped both working and looking for a new job) weren’t spent on looking after me. His money got spent on booze and fags. If he’d have been given vouchers for food or clothing for me, I’d have been better off. He smoked and drank every single day - sometimes at the pub twice a day. Giving him more benefits didn’t benefit me.

Handing out cash to people who don’t work or won’t work is not going to incentivise them to get work.

I believe we all need a helping hand from time to time and the state should support us but this shouldn’t be a lifestyle choice.

I think the whole benefits system needs an overhaul.

Agree 100%. There’s going to be so much resentment and anger over this- completely understandable too!

olderandnonthewiser · 29/11/2025 16:17

dundermiffling · 27/11/2025 21:42

This polarisation is part of the problem. No one wants to see children in poverty but it feels like gaslighting when people refuse to acknowledge that there are too many people gaming the system and benefiting financially by not working (or working a specific amount) and claiming benefits, or defrauding the system in any of the multiple ways people do. Plenty of us know cases in our own lives where people are doing these things and as soon as people start denying it happens it just shuts the conversation down.

i want to see the vulnerable protected but people are sick of having so little to show for working.

Agree with this completely

Boomer55 · 29/11/2025 16:23

Life is full of recessions, bad governments etc. and not worth getting stressed about.

No one is thinking workhouses

All things pass. 🙄

SecretSoul · 29/11/2025 16:54

Allseeingallknowing · 29/11/2025 15:09

Sounds very generous to me!

£1200 to pay all your bills - including rent, council tax, utilities - and buy food? For a family of four. Generous?

Sure.

You're clearly time-travelling from several decades ago. Welcome. You're going to find modern prices and living costs quite the shock.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 29/11/2025 17:04

CurlewKate · 27/11/2025 21:37

we should just go straight back to work houses. I’m sure we could boost the economy by having children working in factories or making mass market clothes.

I think you are right.

Let's stick those pesky net contributors in workhouses and be done with it. That'll teach them.

Why bother with mansion tax at all?

Allseeingallknowing · 29/11/2025 17:06

SecretSoul · 29/11/2025 16:54

£1200 to pay all your bills - including rent, council tax, utilities - and buy food? For a family of four. Generous?

Sure.

You're clearly time-travelling from several decades ago. Welcome. You're going to find modern prices and living costs quite the shock.

That’s on top of other income, isn’t it?

SecretSoul · 29/11/2025 17:11

Allseeingallknowing · 29/11/2025 17:06

That’s on top of other income, isn’t it?

No. That's the sum total. Oh, other than Child Benefit - about £43 per week for two kids.

Allseeingallknowing · 29/11/2025 17:15

SecretSoul · 29/11/2025 17:11

No. That's the sum total. Oh, other than Child Benefit - about £43 per week for two kids.

Ok - no, not generous at all, sorry!

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 29/11/2025 17:18

SecretSoul · 29/11/2025 17:11

No. That's the sum total. Oh, other than Child Benefit - about £43 per week for two kids.

There's also council tax reduction, free prescriptions, help with dental treatment and eye tests, glasses and contacts.

Reduced entry for some tourist attractions.

It might not sound like much, but It all adds up.

Everlore · 29/11/2025 17:41

hamstersarse · 27/11/2025 23:43

Why are you exaggerating so much?
No one has talked about child labour and workhouses

unemployment benefit was set up to support people temporarily while they got back on their feet. It was never meant to be for years, decades or life and given without question. Also it makes absolutely no sense, and is not in the slightest bit fair that people who don’t work get more than those who do, ever. That should not be allowed to happen, period.

To deny that’s what people are saying makes you a gaslighter at best, a liar at worst

If you think no posters on here would welcome the return of workhouses I don't think you've been paying proper attention to the countless tedious and predictabled disabled benefits bashing threads which turn up on here with depressing regularity each day.
There was a post on this very site, not too long ago, which suggested that disabled children and adults be forcably removed from their homes and placed in large state run institutions to save the government money. That sounds like advocating the return of workhouses and asylums to me!
That thread is probably still up if you search for it since, despite multiple reports, advocating the forced incarceration of disabled people, including children, does not break MN talk guidelines.

SecretSoul · 29/11/2025 17:46

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 29/11/2025 17:18

There's also council tax reduction, free prescriptions, help with dental treatment and eye tests, glasses and contacts.

Reduced entry for some tourist attractions.

It might not sound like much, but It all adds up.

Thank you, yes there are a few little extras that definitely help. Free prescriptions saved quite a bit for me and DP; since his illness he's on quite a lot of meds. Free eye tests/contribution to glasses every two years helped me as I wear glasses.

There weren't any discounts for attractions in my part of the country, but tbh, with the DC's disabilities, and DP's illness, there aren't many we can get to anyway.

The extras were all very gratefully received but it was struggling to pay for food/pay bills etc that just seemed impossible.

Our circumstances are a bit different now thankfully as we've pooled resources with my mum/stepdad and got a house together so I can provide them with care more easily rather than having to hotfoot it across town multiple times a day!

Thank you though, I'm grateful for the ideas.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 29/11/2025 18:06

SecretSoul · 29/11/2025 17:46

Thank you, yes there are a few little extras that definitely help. Free prescriptions saved quite a bit for me and DP; since his illness he's on quite a lot of meds. Free eye tests/contribution to glasses every two years helped me as I wear glasses.

There weren't any discounts for attractions in my part of the country, but tbh, with the DC's disabilities, and DP's illness, there aren't many we can get to anyway.

The extras were all very gratefully received but it was struggling to pay for food/pay bills etc that just seemed impossible.

Our circumstances are a bit different now thankfully as we've pooled resources with my mum/stepdad and got a house together so I can provide them with care more easily rather than having to hotfoot it across town multiple times a day!

Thank you though, I'm grateful for the ideas.

I'm sorry to hear you are struggling with the food bills. They keep rising so it can't be easy.

Hope things get better for you and your family.

Namechange4344 · 29/11/2025 19:42

EarthlyNightshade · 28/11/2025 13:45

Maybe other people's kids will be contributing to society and your lives in different ways as you grow older?
The country needs the next generation of workers.

The kids being born in families where noone has worked for decades will not be the next generation of workers.

Everlore · 30/11/2025 01:25

Namechange4344 · 29/11/2025 19:42

The kids being born in families where noone has worked for decades will not be the next generation of workers.

Writing off children as soon as they're born based on their background, that's very nice isn't it?

CandiedPrincess · 30/11/2025 11:02

SecretSoul · 29/11/2025 17:11

No. That's the sum total. Oh, other than Child Benefit - about £43 per week for two kids.

In your post you said you worked and received £1200 in benefits, so how can it be the sum total?

Frogbear · 30/11/2025 11:18

HostaCentral · 28/11/2025 13:09

Thing is.... The definition of poverty is not what most people think it is...... It's just a statistic, not an observed state of being.

Which is what many people deemed to be in poverty will be managing well, others not so much.

Increasing benefits to above the median household income will effectively wipe out poverty, but it doesn't, because then the median rises...... Statistics and damn lies etc

Not enough people know this and it’s a really important point that needs to be stressed.

Living in poverty is no longer taken to be having no food, heating, etc. It’s having an income and lifestyle that is lower than average.

FestiveYoni · 30/11/2025 11:30

System bloated and weak against corruption
It's only supposed to be a temporary measure to get people help when they most need it and back on their feet
And to support the most vulnerable in our society.

We all know the money is being used for people who game the system and don't need it

The money could have gone to so many other projects that would have had more meaningful difference like school projects ,proper projects to assist training for teachers and school staff on Sen
More ed psycs and sendco , child psychologists, money for cahms!

So many other ways to help child poverty

Bruisername · 30/11/2025 11:35

The thing about the forecasts that’s coming out now is awful

she didn’t need to put the mansion tax in. This is going to raise very little and is going to divert HMRC resources from the areas PPs have said they’d like them to focus on - evasion and avoidance.

not even a suggestion they are going to try and simplify the tax system and get rid of cliff edges. That would be the easiest way to reduce evasion/avoidance

x2boys · 30/11/2025 11:55

Catatemyhomework · 27/11/2025 23:54

Yep. I have diagnosed Adhd. Never claimed for it. I have other health issues. Never claimed for it. I keep working. I can't do much but I have a small business and work everyday. I have to, otherwise we'd be fucked.

Unless your ADHD and other conditions mean you can't care for yourself or navigate a journey from A to B independently than you wouldnt be able to claim disability benefits anyway
My dh has type 2 diabetes and other health issues he wouldnt be entitled either
Neither would my Ds1 who has type 3c diabetes ( treated as type1 )
As both of them are independently caring for themselves and csn travel independently.

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