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DC fighting, I'm absolutely done in.

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Bluebluetuesday · 22/11/2025 09:21

Honestly I feel like just walking out.

Two dc, 6 and 9. Both a pleasure to spend time with one on one. But when they are together the fighting is constant.

They'll fight over what to watch on tv, where to sit at the dining table, where to sit in the car, who is allowed to look out of a particular window, who is using too much air when they breath. Sometimes one will whack the other and a physical fight starts.

They have everything they possibly need. A lovely school, friends, a comfortable home, 2 parents who want the best for them, a lovely extended family, honestly they are completely u aware of how lucky they are.

They very occasionally play nicely together and it's so lovely, but 90% of the time they are at war.

We try to divide and conquer as much as possible, taking them to their clubs, to see friends etc, but it's so frustrating that we can't even have a morning pottering about at home without WW3 breaking out.

Any advice for a woman on the edge?

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justmeandtheclan · 23/11/2025 07:27

Girlll I could have written this myself. Just know you are not alone ! X

ocelot3 · 23/11/2025 07:35

what @PinkFootstoolsaid. That’s the way I did things. The only change being once they were old enough to sit in the front of the car they took turns. For some reason, by that age, they always remembered and it didn’t begin another row. Now they are late teens none of this really happens, or if it does I remind them I want a peaceful dinner and they are spoiling it so will have to go upstairs and they grin ruefully and that’s the end of it. Things will get better, but the ground rules have to be established young and consequences seen through.

beAsensible1 · 23/11/2025 07:38

Just do the joint T-shirt until they learn to cooperate very single time

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TheVoiceOfReason91 · 23/11/2025 09:40

Give them both tasks/jobs together one of them does anything wrong as much as looks at the other in a way you don't like they both get punished like stand in the corner of a room for 5 mins facing the wall then put them back on said task to complete and they can't do anything else until task is completed
The lesson is work together nicely and you get more time for fun if you don't then you all lose out

Jollyjoy · 23/11/2025 10:15

TheVoiceOfReason91 · 23/11/2025 09:40

Give them both tasks/jobs together one of them does anything wrong as much as looks at the other in a way you don't like they both get punished like stand in the corner of a room for 5 mins facing the wall then put them back on said task to complete and they can't do anything else until task is completed
The lesson is work together nicely and you get more time for fun if you don't then you all lose out

Wow. Agree with the lesson but the suggested method of teaching it is awful. I would certainly not advocate children being made to stand facing a corner, it’s humiliating and degrading. There are humane ways to deliver consequences.

TheVoiceOfReason91 · 23/11/2025 10:26

No it's not downgrading at all because of you send them to there rooms then what do they learn absolutely nothing as they will just play with stuff in there rooms so while you think your punishing the kids they are just playing where as if they have to stand still and do absolutely nothing for 5 mins all they can do is think about why they have been sent there

Jollyjoy · 23/11/2025 10:32

TheVoiceOfReason91 · 23/11/2025 10:26

No it's not downgrading at all because of you send them to there rooms then what do they learn absolutely nothing as they will just play with stuff in there rooms so while you think your punishing the kids they are just playing where as if they have to stand still and do absolutely nothing for 5 mins all they can do is think about why they have been sent there

So if you made a mistake at work and I sent you to stand in the corner, you wouldn’t feel degraded? I know this may have been how some of us were raised but the world has moved on from this. Even making them sit still where they are is better than in a corner facing the wall.

sparrowhawkhere · 23/11/2025 10:48

I think it’s important you stop as quickly as you can with an immediate consequence for the one who started it. Explain thats what you’ll be doing.

MrsB74 · 23/11/2025 10:52

My twins were like this - drove me nuts. As everyone else has said, consistency is key and bide your time. Mine are late teens now and great friends; hardly any arguments at all.

RescueMeFromThisSilliness · 23/11/2025 10:55

@Bluebluetuesday You have been observing this shenanigans for some time now. Which one of them tends to start things, or are they as bad as each other?

Do you get the one who started it to apologise to the other one? If one of them starts a fight, it is not entirely fair to punish both of them. One might really want to watch a particular programme, and the other one deliberately starts a fight, knowing that you will switch off the telly so their sibling misses out. Kids can and do shit stir so their sibling gets into trouble, so maybe bear that in mind.

DelphiniumBlue · 23/11/2025 11:10

I’d just be a bit careful about this. There’s a 3 year age gap, and I’d want to make sure that the older child is not bullying the younger and that they’re not both being blamed when one of them is the main instigator.
That being said, have a zero tolerance policy for things like arguing over TVand toys.
As another poster said, have specific spots to sit, and policies re everything else: so this week child A gets to choose, next week child B. No one plays with someone else’s toy without permission, and bonuses if they cooperate: if they can jointly choose something to watch without a fuss, then an extra half hour tv, for example.
I tried “victim of the week” for a while, with moderate success. They were aghast at the blatant unfairness, and united to argue against it! In case you ve not heard of it, one child is selected to take the punishment every time you can’t tell whose fault it is. You can do it on a weekly or daily basis. Daily is probably better with younger children so that they both feel the impact quickly.

Bananalanacake · 23/11/2025 11:23

I've decided not to take my girls for our annual 2 week stay in our other home in summer due to their fighting. I'll skip a year and hope they improve at the ages of 10 and 13.

sparrowhawkhere · 23/11/2025 11:30

Just to add, both mine think the other is the favourite. I find lots of praise for good behaviour but clamping down on what they’ve done individually helps. So if one gets fed up and retaliates it’s not fair to have the same punishment if the other started it.

TheVoiceOfReason91 · 23/11/2025 12:18

There's a difference between a mistake and fighting either verbally or physically
A mistake wouldn't be punished in such away but if people are fighting then you separate them and punish accordingly standing in separate corners of the room means they are both in time out looking at the wall means there not looking at each other pulling faces trying to gode each other into doing something to get them in to more trouble also means there not flunking the punishment by playing with things in the room call it what you want but if you don't like the idea of it you don't have to do it and people can carry on with there soft style but I raise my kids to respect everyone and each other. Also actions have consequences

MargaretThursday · 23/11/2025 12:40

I'm speaking as a child who fought with younger sibling a lot to a point we hardly spoke for years. He's quite a decent person now 😁

For a start off, how do you respond?
"You're making me so stressed" "I find it so upsetting"...
Thing was, I always (or almost always) felt I had a good point, and he was deliberately being annoying and why should I let it go? So when she responded like that, I felt guilty for upsetting her, but really it was his fault and if he wasn't so annoying then I wouldn't have had to react. So that made me more annoyed with him.

Do you honestly treat them both the same when they fight? Or do you blame the older one?
My younger sibling was acknowledged to be "difficult". I think honestly dm didn't really know how to deal with him, so it was easier for her to not address when he was clearly the awkward one I was always the one who had to compromise - and I did 90+% of the time.

Don't make excuses for their behaviour to each other.
Frequently if he did something nasty to me, if I complained then I got "He's having a difficult time" or "he doesn't understand" or "he is just upset about <irrelevant incident>". Fine, maybe, but if he'd just broken something of mine, it was still as broken, and I was the one that lost from it.

If they say something then listen. It doesn't matter if you think it's a really silly thing that upset them. It may mean a lot.
There was a particular thing that really hurt me as a child. It wasn't really younger sibling's fault, but he gained from it. I approached dm as an adult to try and explain how upset I had been. It very sillily still does upset me today if I think about it.
Her response was first to tell me that I hadn't minded at the time - I remember desperately battling against tears, and trying to hide it. Then when I said it had, she said something along the lines of "well, I don't know what could have been done." All I wanted was an acknowledgement, or an apology. As an adult I'll still say it was very unfair, and there was a very simple solution too, and tbh if they'd been trying to be fair and thought about it, it would never have happened.

Don't praise their siblings up to each other to try and make them see the other's good points.
"He's such a sweet boy." "He loves you so much." "He looks up to you." In which case, why wasn't he nicer? I saw no evidence of any of the above at all. All it made me do is feel unloved and that they thought I was the only issue.

Don't make them do everything the same.
Anything I did. My younger sibling had to do too. And I couldn't win. If I was better - naturally because I was older (and please don't say too much about it in case younger sibling is upset). If he was nearly as good, this was amazing and had to be shouted from the houses.
I remember hearing dm talk about the musical instrument we both played. "Yes Margaret plays. Little bro also plays and he's got the most wonderful technique, he's got so into it and his teacher says he's going so well..." Actually at the same point, I had done grade 5 and he'd failed grade 1 twice. So I think dm thought he needed confidence boosting, what actually happened was I gave up the instrument, which I think I could have been really good at, because I felt there was no point.

Don't compare.
Obvious isn't it? But you will compare. Don't say it out loud, and watch how you say things that can be seen as comparing.
I felt constantly compared to both my siblings and found wanting. I thought I wasn't academic for example. In my 20s I suddenly realised that I had better GCSEs, equal A-levels and what most people would probably count as a better degree.
Never realised as a child. So I didn't bother working. You see it was easier on my mind to not work, then when I didn't achieve, to tell myself that if I'd worked, then I would have done as well as them. Just didn't notice that even without working I was achieving as well as them - or better.
It wasn't that they said much out loud, but I always felt that there was an air of "poor little Margaret tries so hard, but she'll never be up to them...."

If one of them is doing deliberately annoying things give them a consequence.
Dm used to say "he can't help it" or "I'm sure he didn't mean it." Actually when it had caused issues for me, then even if he didn't mean it (and he'll admit now he did) then seeing him "get away" with it was frustrating.

Don't make them lend/give stuff away.
Lost count of the number of stuff I was told I "had" to lend, and it came back broken. Never got it replaced either.

Try and look fair.
There's always times when we can't be fair. But be prepared to justify when they don't. If you can't justify it, then probably it's because it isn't fair.
For example, if I bought myself something or got something for birthday/Christmas that I really liked, and my younger sibling wanted one. Dm would buy one for "herself" and then "let" him use it. She'd tell me he was only "using" it and it wasn't his, but it remained the fact that basically he got one for free.

And if you ask the sibling for opinion if they think something's fair, then listen to them.
I tended to take the line of least resistance, so if I was asked, I would almost always say it was fine. I suspect because of that, if I did say it wasn't fair, dm wasn't prepared so would then tell me she'd thought carefully and was still doing it. I felt my opinion didn't matter.

Praise
Praise them and don't hide it in front of the other if they have done something well. I remember dm coming to me after a particularly difficult holiday where I'd given up on the family tradition of children do the washing up after meals, and just done it by myself every meal. She came to me and whispered thanks, gave me some chocolate and told me not to tell younger sibling.

Do these things

Find things they can enjoy together without being compared. And praise them, not for getting on with each other, but each for doing it well. So not "thank you for getting on so well together" but "thank you for tidying the room, you both put a lot of effort in".

Have time with them separately. If the other one tends to interrupt, arrange to go out.

Let them have separate hobbies and friends, and keep siblings out of the way when friends are round.

Make them laugh. Laughing together really helps in relationships. Watch something on TV that they both find funny, play a game that they enjoy.

Be fair. eg If older got his first phone at 11yo then younger does too.

Be prepared to give consequences. And give equal consequences, not less to the younger one.

And just to note, I love my parents. I totally understand that they are human, they were doing their best, and there were things that at the time I didn't understand. But I think they did contribute to our bad relationship, mostly through being so desperate to mend it, they tried to push us together, which actually drove us apart.

Jllllllll · 23/11/2025 17:18

Zero tolerance. Explain how it makes everyone around them feel as they definitely won’t have even considered this. Then explain. One stupid argument and they’re both sent to their rooms. They’re being selfish and need to realise that. Kids are naturally egocentric and they need to learn not to be.

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