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BBC director general Tim Davie and News CEO Deborah Turness resign over Trump documentary edit

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Changingplace · 09/11/2025 18:37

So the BBC Director-General and the CEO of news have both resigned over an edit to Trump’s speech before the capitol riots.

What a mess, it’s not like you have to go far to find something to genuinely criticise Trump for and plays right into the White House labelling the BBC ‘fake news’ since this edit basically was.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cd9kqz1yyxkt?app-referrer=deep-link

The edited clip suggested that Trump told the crowd: “We’re going to walk down to the Capitol and I’ll be there with you, and we fight. We fight like hell.” But the words were taken from sections of his speech almost an hour apart. It did not include a section in which Trump said he wanted supporters “to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”.

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Talkinpeace · 10/11/2025 13:53

The Prescott report had three parts

The Trump speech edit

Gaza / Hamas

Women and transgender

Which one do you think the BBC will try to do nothing about ?

Aaron95 · 10/11/2025 14:03

DwarfBeans · 10/11/2025 13:51

You think stitching bits of a speech ten minutes apart into one sentence was a mistake? 🤔

Editing footage to make a programme is quite normal. Clearly it was a mistake to do it in the way it was done.

DwarfBeans · 10/11/2025 22:13

Aaron95 · 10/11/2025 14:03

Editing footage to make a programme is quite normal. Clearly it was a mistake to do it in the way it was done.

Don’t be daft. You’re downplaying what to anyone with common sense was a deliberate act. It wasn’t editing to fit a programme length.

Interested in this thread?

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EasternStandard · 11/11/2025 07:13

DwarfBeans · 10/11/2025 22:13

Don’t be daft. You’re downplaying what to anyone with common sense was a deliberate act. It wasn’t editing to fit a programme length.

Yeh no one’s using that excuse.

Zitroneneis · 11/11/2025 07:21

Topseyt123 · 10/11/2025 02:47

It's messy, that's true, but I don't think it really merited their resignations. An apology maybe.

Trump did incite the violence at the Capitol and that was reported as such on all major news outlets at the time.

I agree 100%. You cannot rearrange the words of a world leader and pretend to be unbiased and truthful!

I can no longer trust the BBC, even after the resignations.

Zitroneneis · 11/11/2025 07:25

Aaron95 · 10/11/2025 14:03

Editing footage to make a programme is quite normal. Clearly it was a mistake to do it in the way it was done.

That was clearly misrepresenting and not ‘editing’ to shorten the programme. What a ridiculous claim! Any editor will know the difference well.

LilySad91 · 11/11/2025 07:52

I no longer trust the BBC. That's probably been the case for the last 6 or 7 years.

Whenever I put a BBC radio show or BBC News on these days, which is rarely (it used to be all the time) I'm amazed at the obvious propaganda. And it's all pro establishment propaganda - it just happens that in the last decade that's been all about diversity and anti Trump

Ddakji · 11/11/2025 07:53

Implying this is just about Trump is fake news worthy of Trump himself.

ILikeDungs · 11/11/2025 08:13

Aaron95 · 10/11/2025 11:04

If the DG has to resign every time a single news item is found to be at fault i think that job is impossible for anyone to do.

The BBC produces over 30,000 hours of programmes each year. To expect there to be zero mistakes made is ridiculous.

It is far from a single news item though, or a "mistake".. Micheal Prescott's memo to the board members outlines many shocking examples of manipulative reporting, one after another. And this single news item was not an example of BBC being "at fault" so much as intentionally altering and fabricating the news. I will post his introduction and description of the Trump issue here and add another if I have time. It is long but it is worth reading:

Dear Board Members,

You may know that I have been one of the two independent external advisers working alongside the EGSC. I held this role for three years and stood down in the summer.

I departed with profound and unresolved concerns about the BBC. Since leaving, I have thought long and hard about what, if anything, to do about this.
My conclusion is that these concerns are serious enough for me to draw them to your attention, in your oversight role of the BBC.

What follows is a summary of what were, in my view, some of the most troubling matters to come before the EGSC during my term.

My view is that the Executive repeatedly failed to implement measures to resolve highlighted problems, and in many cases simply refused to acknowledge there was an issue at all. Indeed, I would argue that the Executive’s attitude when confronted with evidence of serious and systemic problems is now a systemic problem in itself - meaning the last recourse for action is the Board.
Much of what I set out below is taken from reports prepared for the EGSC by David Grossman, the Senior Editorial Adviser to the Committee.

My understanding is that, as Board members, you have access to EGSC papers should you wish to read his excellent (and so often damning) analyses.
One of the defences often deployed by the BBC when criticised by external organisations is to claim the evidence presented is mere ‘cherry picking’. This is why David’s reports were so very important: they came from within the BBC and were produced by a very experienced and talented BBC journalist. Yet his findings were still, on the whole, dismissed or ignored, even after EGSC members tried to press home the case for full-blooded action.
I served as the Political Editor of the Sunday Times for 10 years, and in corporate advisory roles since then, including as Corporate Affairs Director of BT.

I think it is important to state that I have never been a member of any political party and do not hold any hard and fast views on matters such as American politics or disputes in the Middle East. My views on the BBC’s treatment of the subjects covered below do not come with any political agenda.

Rather, what motivated me to prepare this note is despair at inaction by the BBC Executive when issues come to light. On no other occasion in my professional life have I witnessed what I did at the BBC with regard to how management dealt with (or failed to deal with) serious recurrent problems.

Long though the following note is, I do urge you to read it. My hope is that you may be able to ensure action where the EGSC has not.

The US election
Panorama
One week before polling day, the BBC aired an hour-long Panorama special called: Trump: A Second Chance?

I watched the programme and found it to be neither balanced nor impartial – it seemed to be taking a distinctly anti-Trump stance. Critics of the Republican presidential candidate vastly outnumbered those who argued for him. What examination there was of reasons for Trump’s popularity seemed to me insufficient given the overall balance of the programme.

Given what I took to be the anti-Trump nature of the programme, I of course assumed there would be a similar, balancing Panorama programme about Democrat presidential candidate Kamala Harris the following week. I remain shocked that there was not. I raised my concerns at the EGSC and David Grossman was asked to review the programme.

He concluded the main contributors to the documentary were heavily weighted against Trump, with just one supporter against ten who questioned his fitness for office. Worse still, David highlighted alarming concerns about how Panorama had edited Trump’s speech to his supporters on January 6*, 2021, the day of the Capitol Hill riot. Examining the charge that Trump had incited protesters to storm Capitol Hill, it turned out that Panorama had spliced together two clips from separate parts of his speech. This created the impression that Trump said something he did not and, in doing so, materially misled viewers.

The spliced together version of Trump’s comments aired by Panorama made it seem that he said: “We’re gonna walk down to the Capitol and I’ll be with you and we fight. We fight like hell and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not gonna have a country anymore.” In reality, the first part of Trump’s speech: “We’re gonna walk down to the Capitol and I’ll be with you,” came 15 minutes into the speech. The second half of the sentence that was aired by Panorama, “and we fight. We fight like hell....” came 54 minutes later.

Fifteen minutes into the speech, what Trump actually said: “We are gonna walk down to the Capitol and I’ll be with you. I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.” It was completely misleading to edit the clip in the way Panorama aired it. The fact that he did not explicitly exhort supporters to go down and fight at Capitol Hill was one of the reasons there were no federal charges for incitement to riot.

That was not the end of Panorama’s distortion of the day’s events.
On January 6, 2021, the so-called Proud Boys, Trump’s supporters, marched to Capitol Hill before Trump had started speaking. David’s report to the EGSC highlighted that Trump’s ‘speech’ clip was followed by video footage of the Proud Boys marching towards Congress. This created the impression Trump’s supporters had taken up his ‘call-to-arms’
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This was one of the most shocking sets of issues uncovered during my time with the EGSC. If BBC journalists are to be allowed to edit video in order to make people “say” things they never actually said, then what value are the Corporation’s guidelines, why should the BBC be trusted, and where will this all end?

And yet, faced with David’s findings, the Executive refused to accept there had been a breach of standards and doubled down on its defence of Panorama.
At the EGSC meeting on May 12th , 2025 Jonathan Munro asserted: “There was no attempt to mislead the audience about the content or nature of Mr Trump’s speech before the riot at the Capitol. It’s normal practice to edit speeches into short form clips.”

This completely goes against my understanding of BBC editorial policy regarding misleading edits. You will remember, it was this kind of editing that led to the resignation of BBC1 controller, Peter Fincham, following what has become known as Crowngate.

Deborah Turness tried to justify the doctored video and mangled timeline of the day by citing the US Congressional Committee on Trump’s role in the January 6th riots – the one which concluded he was involved in a “multi-part conspiracy” to overturn the legal results of the 2020 election. Yet this was a Democrat-packed Committee, not an objective source of truth. I can see no justification for editing video clips so that a presidential candidate appears to say something he never did – and this defence did nothing to change my mind. I do urge the Board to pay particular attention to this matter.

During the EGSC meeting, neither the Director General nor the Chairman made any comment about Jonathan’s dismissive attitude to David’s findings or Deborah’s defence of the edited video clips. My concerns prompted me to email the Chairman the day after the EGSC meeting.

With regard to the Executive’s comfort in having video clips edited to misrepresent the speaker, I warned: “This is a very, very dangerous precedent. I hope you agree and take some form of action to ensure this potentially huge problem is nipped in the bud.”
I received no reply.

ILikeDungs · 11/11/2025 08:34

Still hearing people interviewed on this assuming it is just about Trump. It is not just about Trump. Continued, from Michael Prescott's memo to board members:

Israel-Hamas war
Story selection
In July, 2024, a Senior News Editor from the BBC World Service concluded an internal review of BBC Arabic which did not show up any editorial “red flags”.
Unconvinced by its findings, the EGSC pressed for a more thorough review of its output in relation to the Israel and Gaza conflict.

David Grossman was commissioned to review five months of coverage, from May 7th, 2024, to October 6th, 2024. That amounted to 535 articles on the English language website and 523 on BBC Arabic. On January 16th, 2025, the EGSC received his report, which exposed stark differences in the way important stories had been handled by BBC Arabic and the BBC’s main news website.

For example:
On story selection, the BBC’s main news website posted 19 separate stories about the hostages taken by Hamas on the day of its terror attack. On BBC Arabic there were none. By contrast, every critical article about Israel that appeared on BBC News English website was replicated by BBC Arabic

The English language website had three times as many stories that primarily dealt with the suffering of Israelis. These included the horrors faced by hostages held captive in Gaza, how traumatised Israeli communities were coping, Hamas and Hezbollah rocket attacks on residential Israeli communities and growing antisemitism. These were all missing from BBC Arabic There were no articles critical of Hamas on the BBC Arabic site and four on the English site.

Story treatment - Fawzia Sido liberation
BBC News’ English website covered the story of a Yazidi woman, Fawzia Sido, rescued by Israeli soldiers after a decade as a sex slave in Iraq, prior to her arrival in Gaza. Kidnapped, drugged, raped and “sold off” for marriage to an ISIS fighter at the age of just 11, the story detailed her escape and rescue, with back up for her claims from the US State Department and the Iraqi authorities.

BBC Arabic ran the same story but with critical differences - starting with the headline: “Israel says ‘Yazidi prisoner returned to Iraq after ten years in Gaza,’ Hamas tells BBC ‘Israel narrative is fabricated’”. The bulk of BBC Arabic’s story is taken up by a 582-word-long statement by Hamas disputing the woman’s terrible story.

Story treatment – Hamas attack on Jaffar
Similarly, there were major content and tone differences in stories covering an attack by Hamas terrorists on October 1st, 2024, which killed seven Israeli civilians in Jaffa. The BBC News’ English website revealed how the victims included Inbar Segev Vigder, a young mother who died shielding her 9-month-old baby from harm.

BBC Arabic covered the story under the headline: “The Qassam Brigades claims responsibility for the Jaffa operation, what do we know about it?” The report presented the attack as a military operation and gave no information about the victims.

Similarly, the deaths of four hostages in Gaza on June 3, 2024, were covered with a dedicated article on the English language site but dismissed in four paragraphs in a BBC Arabic article that focused on Hezbollah attacks on Israel.

Story treatment – the Majdal Shams rocket attack
Another major story in the conflict, Hezbollah’s bombing of a football game in the Golan Heights on July 27th , 2024, that left nine children dead, was also given critically different treatment. The English language version included Hezbollah’s denials that it was responsible for the Majdal Shams rocket strike but included evidence to suggest it had bombed other sites in the area.

The BBC Arabic story, posted four hours after the English language version, did not include evidence linking Hezbollah to the bombing of a nearby military compound, just two miles from the football pitch, and prominently included the terror group’s denials. Its headline referred to “Israelis” being killed and injured in the attack, not children. A day-two story covered on the Arabic website contained unsubstantiated claims from Iran and Syria that Israel faked the attack as a pretext for attacking Hezbollah.

It was clear from David’s extensive research in this report that BBC Arabic’s story selection, tone and focus were considerably different to the BBC News’ English website.

It is hard to conclude anything other than that BBC Arabic’s story treatment was designed to minimise Israeli suffering and paint Israel as the aggressor.
At the time, one very experienced person attending the EGSC meeting described the findings as the most “extraordinary paper” she had ever seen. It should have prompted urgent action by the executive but it did not.

Bangbangwhizzbang · 11/11/2025 08:36

Topseyt123 · 10/11/2025 02:47

It's messy, that's true, but I don't think it really merited their resignations. An apology maybe.

Trump did incite the violence at the Capitol and that was reported as such on all major news outlets at the time.

What evidence do you have to back up that opinion? Maybe a doctored video from Panorama?

Bangbangwhizzbang · 11/11/2025 08:50

They repeatedly call male sex offenders, rapists and murderers ‘women’ when those men decide after arrest that identifying as a woman would be a fine ruse to try and get a lighter sentence or serve time by getting to share space with very vulnerable women. They justify this by pointing to the guidelines they have written for themselves. They even changed the words of a rape victim describing her attack because she called the man who raped her ‘he’.

SomethingFun · 11/11/2025 09:04

If they hadn’t doctored what Trump had said none of it would have been taken seriously. That is the easiest and most ridiculous thing to prove to the general public - everything he says is shite and picked over worldwide, you don’t need to be making it sound worse than it is and it’s easy to prove that is what you did. It also shows a level of contempt for the audience of that piece, which makes even less sense to me of doing it there, as you’re unlikely to be watching panorama casually and without already having an understanding of world news. Maybe it was a plant or maybe the ethos of telling your truth instead of the truth had become so engrained it wasn’t even a question of whether you should do it or not.

Believing your own bullshit and that you are untouchable comes for people time and time again.

ILikeDungs · 11/11/2025 09:13

Bangbangwhizzbang · 11/11/2025 08:50

They repeatedly call male sex offenders, rapists and murderers ‘women’ when those men decide after arrest that identifying as a woman would be a fine ruse to try and get a lighter sentence or serve time by getting to share space with very vulnerable women. They justify this by pointing to the guidelines they have written for themselves. They even changed the words of a rape victim describing her attack because she called the man who raped her ‘he’.

Indeed: Prescott's memo:

Biological sex and gender

A BBC presenter contacted me about a month after I started working with the EGSC. He put me in touch with a reporter and a producer. All three were from different parts of the BBC but had shared concerns about BBC coverage of the trans issue.The story that each person told me was what sounded like effective censorship by the specialist LGBTQ desk within News.

As virtually all shows had lost their own reporters, programme editors had to make requests to News if they wanted a correspondent to cover a story. I was told that time and time again the LGBTQ desk staffers would decline to cover any story raising difficult questions about the trans-debate.

The allegation made to me was stark: that the desk had been captured by a small group of people promoting the Stonewall view of the debate and keeping other perspectives off-air. Individual programmes had come to lack their own reporters as a counterweight.

What I was told chimed with what I saw for myself on BBC Online - that stories raising difficult questions about the ‘trans agenda’ were ignored even if they had been widely taken up and discussed across other media outlets.There was also a constant drip-feed of one-sided stories, usually news features, celebrating the trans experience without adequate balance or objectivity.

A typical example was the story of Gisele Shaw, a gushing tale of a transgender wrestler who felt “liberated” by coming out. This story, posted on March 15th, 2023, glossed over how the wrestler, who is a biological male, had repeatedly won trophies by competing in women’s competition.

The Board might take note that the one undisputed run of ground-breaking journalistic excellence in this space was that of Newsnight’s Hannah Barnes, who went on to author the seminal book about the medical treatment and mistreatment of ‘trans children’. Her work might well now not be possible at the BBC, given the culture I describe above combined with changes at Newsnight and the lack now of any programme-specific reporters.

Ms Barnes, with a proud track record at the BBC, elected to depart for the New Statesman.

Story selection and diversity of opinion
David Grossman’s report examining the BBC’s coverage of trans issues came to the EGSC in October 2024. It found many shortcomings, in line with my fears and the concerns raised with me by BBC staff. These included:

On story selection, his report warned of an “unintended editorial bias”
“Significant voices” were too often missing from the BBC’s coverage, including those who had transitioned and regretted their decision or those who had concerns about the process. The report couldn’t find a single example in the review period that reflected the experience of de-transitioners.

It noted there were more stories about the waiting times for people to receive care than examining the quality of that care itself. It also noted a surprisingly high number of stories about drag queens considering it is such a niche group of people.

Stories that raised concerns about the quality or safety of care given to gender questioning children and adults received “little or no coverage”.

In March 2024, there was widespread media coverage of leaked documents from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health which raised concerns about the quality of care given to gender-distressed children. It was picked up by the Mail, Economist, Observer, Washington Post, the Times and others but not the BBC.

There was also scant coverage of biological women campaigning to exclude biological men from sensitive spaces. The BBC failed to cover the story of Darlington nurses who took their employer to court for allowing their changing room to be used by biological males. This story was covered extensively by other news outlets including Sky News and GB News.

Similarly, there was no coverage of claims biological male police and prison officers were being allowed to conduct strip searches on women and girls
The report warned that the phrase “assigned at birth” in relation to biological sex was appearing frequently in coverage, despite being advised against in guidelines.

The report noted concerns with how the debate about the Cass Review was framed on Newsnight – the views of a doctor critical of the Tavistock Clinic were “balanced” with those of a trans woman, who said she had received excellent care. The report pointed out that if Newsnight was covering concerns about a maternity unit it would not seek to provide balance by interviewing a mother who was happy with her care.

Gender identity
The concept of gender identity is contested but David warned the EGSC that “some of our coverage is presented in a way that suggests the concept of gender identity is an established fact rather than contested.” He also warned there was a tacit acceptance of the concept of ‘gender identity’ in BBC guidelines that could cause impartiality problems and recommended a change.
The guidelines state: “for most people their sex and gender identity are the same”. He suggested adding: “Others may reject the idea that they have a gender identity that is separate from their biological sex at all”.

My understanding is we are still waiting for the updated news style guide, nearly 12 months since David’s report was presented to the EGSC.

David’s findings highlight a cultural problem across the BBC – that too many of its staff have never considered the idea of “gender identity” to be either spurious or offensive to many people. As an institution the BBC too often views issues of gender and sexuality as a celebration of British diversity rather than exploring the complexities of the subject.

Without anchoring stories in biological sex, they risk becoming incomprehensible to audiences. For example, they may not understand the concerns about a transgender woman being sent to a women’s prison.

David flagged one article, carried on BBC News in June, 2024, under the headline: “Transgender woman guilty of rape after night out”. Without adding that the offender was a biological man, this story would be confusing for many.
The review recommended BBC reporters and presenters should use language more “anchored in biological sex” – such as biological males and biological females. “Otherwise, there is a real danger that audiences may not understand the stories we are attempting to cover.”

A prime example would be the case of Scarlet Blake - a transgender woman sentenced on February 26th, 2024, for the murder of Jorge Martin Carreo. When the story was reported on the One O’Clock News, Blake was not referred to as a trans woman, only a woman. On the Six O’Clock News, she was referred to as a trans woman.

In a statement, the BBC conceded that Blake should have been referred to as a trans woman in the lunchtime programme. It is interesting to ask how the lunchtime news got this wrong - it may well speak to capture by a particular lobby or a nervousness when reporting these subjects.

WildFlowerBees · 11/11/2025 09:47

Thanks for those posts @ILikeDungs

ILikeDungs · 11/11/2025 09:52

And finally (from me, not to suggest this is all there is) the Telegraph details an internal investigation launched by the BBC into the shortcomings of its own climate coverage:

The broadcaster has decided to review its climate and energy policy reporting after a string of controversies. It has been forced to make a series of corrections, with some programmes being removed altogether.

It comes with the BBC at the centre of a bias row after the Telegraph published a leaked letter, which had been sent to members of the BBC board by Michael Prescott, a former standards adviser.

He wrote of his “despair at inaction” by executives over widespread evidence of skewed reporting. …

Now the broadcaster will face fresh scrutiny on its climate coverage, with its Editorial Guidelines and Standards Committee deciding to carry out a “thematic review” of its coverage of “energy policy in the UK and climate change”.
This would make it the latest in a series of reviews on impartiality carried out by the BBC in recent years.

They are part of its 10-point impartiality plan which was introduced in 2021, following an inquiry into the scandal surrounding the 1995 Panorama interview with Diana, Princess of Wales, involving Martin Bashir. …

Earlier this year, the BBC quietly edited an episode of Question Time after allegedly making a false claim about Net Zero. The corporation has defended the move, saying it is “normal practice to edit the programme before broadcast for audience clarity”.

Last year, a complaint was upheld when a BBC News article presented as fact the claim that “human-induced climate change made recent extreme heat in the US South-West, Mexico and Central America around 35 times more likely”.

In May 2022, Justin Rowlatt, the BBC’s Climate Editor, was found to have made misleading claims about extreme weather in a Panorama documentary.

In October 2020, Ofcom upheld a complaint by the National Farmers’ Union about the documentary Meat: A Threat to our Planet? and the documentary was later removed from BBC iPlayer.

Head of News Deborah Turness, when resigning, claimed there was no institutional bias at the BBC. But there is clear evidence of bias in reporting of Gaza/Israel, Trump, U.S. politics in general, gender identity, history reporting, race, women's rights, immigration and climate change/Net Zero. That we know of.

For me the worst part of this is that if they are willing to lie / misreport on all of these issues, are they reporting anything faithfully? Trust is lost.

LilySad91 · 11/11/2025 09:56

Topseyt123 · 10/11/2025 02:47

It's messy, that's true, but I don't think it really merited their resignations. An apology maybe.

Trump did incite the violence at the Capitol and that was reported as such on all major news outlets at the time.

Aren't you proving the whole point of why the BBC needs to be sued into oblivion?

They lied. The truth has been revealed. The BBC have now admitted they lied.

But some people still believe the original lie.

Bangbangwhizzbang · 11/11/2025 10:09

SomethingFun · 11/11/2025 09:04

If they hadn’t doctored what Trump had said none of it would have been taken seriously. That is the easiest and most ridiculous thing to prove to the general public - everything he says is shite and picked over worldwide, you don’t need to be making it sound worse than it is and it’s easy to prove that is what you did. It also shows a level of contempt for the audience of that piece, which makes even less sense to me of doing it there, as you’re unlikely to be watching panorama casually and without already having an understanding of world news. Maybe it was a plant or maybe the ethos of telling your truth instead of the truth had become so engrained it wasn’t even a question of whether you should do it or not.

Believing your own bullshit and that you are untouchable comes for people time and time again.

Not every thing Trump says is shit though. That is why he was elected. The failure to recognise he does say true stuff and to address those points rather than dismiss him as a buffoon and everything he says is why the Democratic lost and why Reform might also win here. He has an idiosyncratic way of talking and does indeed include quite a lot of nonsense, but people seem to think they can win by pretending he is not a serious politician despite him being President of one of the most powerful countries on earth. There also often seems surprise that he puts the interest of America (as he sees them) first - he is not our president, it is not for him to be concerned if tariffs do us harm, the uk interests is for our government to look out for (if only they would).

CuboidRectangle · 11/11/2025 10:09

What’s really frustrating is the weight people will still place on BBC reports about things. People will still believe so many of these dodgy BBC stories that were fabricated to suit a political agenda, unless the individual stories are dredged up and thoroughly fact checked by an independent third party, and nowhere has the time or money to do that. So many mirepresentations and lies will still stand.

Bangbangwhizzbang · 11/11/2025 10:12

CuboidRectangle · 11/11/2025 10:09

What’s really frustrating is the weight people will still place on BBC reports about things. People will still believe so many of these dodgy BBC stories that were fabricated to suit a political agenda, unless the individual stories are dredged up and thoroughly fact checked by an independent third party, and nowhere has the time or money to do that. So many mirepresentations and lies will still stand.

Sadly, that includes many MPs, especially when it comes to women’s rights/trans issues,

ILikeDungs · 11/11/2025 10:12

LilySad91 · 11/11/2025 09:56

Aren't you proving the whole point of why the BBC needs to be sued into oblivion?

They lied. The truth has been revealed. The BBC have now admitted they lied.

But some people still believe the original lie.

Exactly. I was one of those who completely fell for the altered clip and was livid that this dreadful man was in such a position of power. To me it was treason and he should be in prison, not on our screens.

I was even more livid when I realised the BBC duped me, and that I was in their Trump bubble. He is still a dreadful man but now I know I have been lied to by a corporation I trusted for my news. I feel sick about all of this, it is just so shoddy, unprofessional and unnecessary. Trump is bad enough without the BBC making stuff up about him ffs.

WeJustWantYouToBeHappy · 11/11/2025 11:53

It’s terribly conflicting. On the one hand it’s as if a tight band around my chest has been loosened particularly concerning the Gaza coverage. The informational warfare has been so transparent and yet so many people have been manipulated into spreading the lies and the hate.

Then on the other this whole exposé feels far too well orchestrated. Cui bono? Nobody I want to align myself with that’s for sure.

Bangbangwhizzbang · 11/11/2025 11:59

WeJustWantYouToBeHappy · 11/11/2025 11:53

It’s terribly conflicting. On the one hand it’s as if a tight band around my chest has been loosened particularly concerning the Gaza coverage. The informational warfare has been so transparent and yet so many people have been manipulated into spreading the lies and the hate.

Then on the other this whole exposé feels far too well orchestrated. Cui bono? Nobody I want to align myself with that’s for sure.

What about other exposés though? This one has punched through so ‘far too well orchestrated’ whereas other ones could be ignored?

Bangbangwhizzbang · 11/11/2025 12:03

I worst bit about this, it the way so many on the left including MPs are jumping up and claiming it is all a plot, whilst completely ignoring the actual bias. They cannot deny the bias around Gaza, women’s rights, or Trump so instead they are trying to claim there is a conspiracy. They are trying to brush the bias and fake news under the carpet. None of them are addressing the actual issue, especially regarding women’s rights and the trans propaganda.

WeJustWantYouToBeHappy · 11/11/2025 12:13

Bangbangwhizzbang · 11/11/2025 12:03

I worst bit about this, it the way so many on the left including MPs are jumping up and claiming it is all a plot, whilst completely ignoring the actual bias. They cannot deny the bias around Gaza, women’s rights, or Trump so instead they are trying to claim there is a conspiracy. They are trying to brush the bias and fake news under the carpet. None of them are addressing the actual issue, especially regarding women’s rights and the trans propaganda.

Good question. I think both the misogyny and antisemitism are genuinely deeply rooted in the BBC’s culture and needed to be exposed, but that doesn’t mean it’s not also being weaponised as part of some broader plot to destabilise British institutions. The rot being real doesn’t mean the timing and orchestration aren’t suspicious, if that makes sense.