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Schools to be judged on their extra-curricular activities. Get in the bin, Bridget.

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noblegiraffe · 05/11/2025 00:24

"The Department for Education will publish a new set of enrichment benchmarks for schools across five categories: civic engagement, arts and culture, nature, outdoor and adventure, sport and physical activities and developing wider life skills.
Ofsted will consider whether schools are meeting the expectations as part of its inspections, with information made available to parents through new school profiles, the Department for Education added."

This is nothing to do with the curriculum review that has just come out.

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/another-expectation-schools-to-be-judged-on-enrichment-benchmarks/

Fuck off. Extra-curricular activities are put on by teachers for free and in our own time. They cannot be an expectation when they are voluntary and unpaid. Should we publish a league table of how MPs meet benchmarks of volunteering and charity work on a weekend and in their holidays?

And if you are cutting school funding (schools are going to be told they have to fund future teacher pay rises out of their budgets by making 'efficiency savings' like there are any possible savings left to be made after the Tories cut everything), then you cannot demand that we do more.

Phillipson is apparently also unhappy that some schools are closing before 3:30pm. Yes, because they can't afford to keep the lights on that long.

You want extra stuff, you have to pay for it.

'Another expectation': Schools to be judged on enrichment benchmarks

Leaders demand support to meet new expectations which will be policed by Ofsted

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/another-expectation-schools-to-be-judged-on-enrichment-benchmarks/

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noblegiraffe · 05/11/2025 13:52

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/11/2025 13:48

Seriously you think it’s more efficient to have post graduate, professionally qualified staff to clean classrooms than employ people on a lower wage to do it?

It’s not true.

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Mirroronthefloor · 05/11/2025 13:55

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/11/2025 13:42

Home school your kids then if you think you should be able to take them out for two weeks consequence free. Two weeks in term time is a pisstake.
She's not been fined because she hasn't hit the threshold for the fines.

Unless you work at the school or a are a governor then you can't really comment on the interventions. I'm a governor at my child's school and also on the parents WhatsApp group so I know there is often a disconnect between what parents think is happening and what is actually taking place.

I’ve personally never taken my children on a term time holiday but don’t see why others shouldn’t be able to like they are in pretty much every other country.
Like I said I talk to this woman all the time and can tell you unequivocally she shouldn’t have custody of her kids. There’s no disconnect here

noblegiraffe · 05/11/2025 14:02

If you want to discuss term time holidays can you start your own thread please? This one is about being expected to run extra curricular activities.

Many teachers already do this out of goodwill. Making it an expectation and a grades one is the problem.

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HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/11/2025 14:03

Mirroronthefloor · 05/11/2025 13:55

I’ve personally never taken my children on a term time holiday but don’t see why others shouldn’t be able to like they are in pretty much every other country.
Like I said I talk to this woman all the time and can tell you unequivocally she shouldn’t have custody of her kids. There’s no disconnect here

The custody arrangements aren't anything to do with the school

spanieleyes · 05/11/2025 14:05

BeachLife2 · 05/11/2025 13:20

The government has been very clear that schools will need to really stretch their budgets. A big part of this is teachers being more flexible.

The days of teachers simply delivering lessons are over in my view. Many schools are already utilising teachers in a more agile and innovative way to reduce the need for costly support staff.

DH is a headteacher at a free school and teachers at his place do much of the admin, catering and cleaning tasks. This frees up funds for more teachers, who can deliver things like extra-curricular provision.

Oh, it’s you again! How many years have you been posting this rubbish!

Mirroronthefloor · 05/11/2025 14:08

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/11/2025 14:03

The custody arrangements aren't anything to do with the school

No but it all filters down through government policy like Bridget philipson not wanting schools closing before 3:30 and the idea of fining parents for the occasional holiday. When I was growing up in the 00s and early 10s someone like her would not have had custody of their kids. Social services would of taken them standards have obviously crashed and burned at some point in the last ten years

FrippEnos · 05/11/2025 14:09

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/11/2025 13:48

Seriously you think it’s more efficient to have post graduate, professionally qualified staff to clean classrooms than employ people on a lower wage to do it?

She is a name changed poster that has been posting this rubbish at least since covid.

Jellycatspyjamas · 05/11/2025 14:11

Thanks @noblegiraffe and @FrippEnos apologies for feeding it.

MrsFaustus · 05/11/2025 14:11

Another great idea from a politician. I’m sure increasing teachers’ unpaid duties will help the current recruitment problem, as will today’s announcement that all children should be able to study the sciences as separate subjects. It’s not like there’s a particular shortage of Physicists and Chemists just rushing to be state school teachers is there?

RaraRachael · 05/11/2025 14:15

Our school stopped doing any extra curricular clubs or activities . Years ago teachers would do it to look good on their CV.
Now teaching is so stressful teachers are shattered at the end of the school day but have meetings and endless paperwork to do.
We ran a drama club but kids just wouldn't bother turning up so impossible to put on a show.

Another completely ridiculous idea from the government.

Araminta1003 · 05/11/2025 14:16

Perhaps the House of Commons could lead by example and all do some exercise before they open Prime Ministers Question time on a Wednesday? That could all inspire us and our DC? Few star jumps and squats for all of us to see?

Araminta1003 · 05/11/2025 14:17

Maybe throw in the national anthem, a few ethnic musical instruments etc so they can get creative and tackle their work properly and be productive?

FrippEnos · 05/11/2025 14:19

@FeatherCoat
There is a fundamental mindset difference here.

There really isn't a "fundamental mindset difference"

In my world, and most people I know, our jobs are defined by what we are asked to do. Sometimes that fits within our current hours. Often it doesn’t. Sometimes some responsibilities become obsolete, other times we take on new things. Just because I’m asked to do something new, it doesn’t mean I’m doing it for free.

Except that the teachers's world they are already doing this for free and now somebody wants to make it a part of the job with no increase in recompense.
And to top it all off they are going to get graded on it.

caringcarer · 05/11/2025 14:23

I think 9-3.30pm teaching time is reasonable. Each year group could have access to a couple of clubs a week and pay to stay until 4.30pm.

Favouritefruits · 05/11/2025 14:27

Well they should do what my youngest sons school does, send a letter to all parents about all the wonderful clubs and activities children can attend but then don’t actually put any clubs or activities on. I’m sure it’s purely so they can pretend to ofstead!

Needlenardlenoo · 05/11/2025 14:32

We should all be really careful what we wish for.

I worked on a local NHS history project once, running from early cottage hospital days, through the two world wars up to about 2008. Up to the 1980s there seemed to be so much goodwill and team spirit. Then it gradually drained away as more and more targets and measures were introduced.

RaraRachael · 05/11/2025 14:32

caringcarer · 05/11/2025 14:23

I think 9-3.30pm teaching time is reasonable. Each year group could have access to a couple of clubs a week and pay to stay until 4.30pm.

A teacher's day doesn't finish when the kids leave.
Most of our staff are there until 4.30 so if they did a club immediately after they'd need to stay until 5.30.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/11/2025 14:32

caringcarer · 05/11/2025 14:23

I think 9-3.30pm teaching time is reasonable. Each year group could have access to a couple of clubs a week and pay to stay until 4.30pm.

Which is exactly what our school does now.
They monitor engagement too so can see who is engaging and means they can review what’s being offered.

AlpineMuesli · 05/11/2025 14:34

Any more info on when they're onboarding the 6500 extra teachers from the VAT windfall?

RaraRachael · 05/11/2025 14:40

AlpineMuesli · 05/11/2025 14:34

Any more info on when they're onboarding the 6500 extra teachers from the VAT windfall?

Or how, when they've magically obtained them, they'll be retained without any thought of improving working conditions.

Mirroronthefloor · 05/11/2025 14:45

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/11/2025 13:16

You can't fine families for bad grades. And this 'literal crackhead' as you so charmingly put it, will be on the radar of the school and subject to multiple interventions.
Term time holidays are a contentious issue but like it or not, they are disruptive and you need to decide as a family what works for you and that might mean a fine. If you don't like it then you can always choose to home school.

“Charmingly put it” made me laugh though, but yes people that know this woman would be a lot less charming then me when describing her

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/11/2025 15:19

Mirroronthefloor · 05/11/2025 14:45

“Charmingly put it” made me laugh though, but yes people that know this woman would be a lot less charming then me when describing her

I'm sure they would but it's not a race to the bottom is it?

pIum · 05/11/2025 15:21

Tiebiter · 05/11/2025 13:46

My ds has never done any drama or dance at school beyond when they put on YouTube when it's raining. He's doing Xmas songs but not actual musical education.

We shouldn't be adding more, it does need a rebalance. Maths and English are important but that is ALL he does bar one hour of geography once a week.

This would be graded an inadequate curriculum without doubt and is not the norm (though I struggle to believe you're not exaggerating - he does no computing, PE, RE, science etc?). Primary schools essentially do maths and English in the morning and a loaded 'broad and balanced' curriculum in the afternoon, the plans for which are meticulously scrutinised by Ofsted now.

Mirroronthefloor · 05/11/2025 15:27

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 05/11/2025 15:19

I'm sure they would but it's not a race to the bottom is it?

What terminology are we meant to use to describe someone who does crack and neglects their children among others I won’t put on here lest it’s too outing

Mirroronthefloor · 05/11/2025 15:27

Mirroronthefloor · 05/11/2025 15:27

What terminology are we meant to use to describe someone who does crack and neglects their children among others I won’t put on here lest it’s too outing

*among other things