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Do you know your 'shadow self'?

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GarlicPound · 20/10/2025 00:34

This is a long-standing psych theory. A scammy self-improvement site is running ads based on it at the moment, which is what reminded me. The general idea is that we all have some pretty obnoxious and damaging characteristics, which are extremely deep-rooted in childhood. Jung called it a 'shadow' to allow for the fact that most people prefer to ignore their darker sides.

Jung himself went off on long retreats to commune with his shadow, but the therapy I did was aimed at learning to understand and acknowledge these characteristics, negotiating with them if necessary to keep our lives on track. I can't say I'm brilliant at that part, but at least I know who Dark Garlic is.

So here goes (non-exhaustively, I'm sure):

I procrastinate to the extent that I'll forgo things I'd have loved if I'd only got around to them This comes from fear of doing stuff wrong, for which I was often punished as a child. Maladaptive perfectionism.

I'm heavily prone to addiction. This is avoidance, an adult expression of the daydreaming I did as a kid to escape a toxic atmosphere. I use addicted behaviours or substances to smooth over discomfort.

I used to lie a lot. I stopped that. Nothing massive, but I felt I wasn't interesting / had nothing to contribute unless I jazzed things up.

I would be horribly grabby if I let this part of myself run wild. We were poor when I was small, plus my unlovely Dad took pleasure in telling me I couldn't have things. Food, money, clothes, everything ... my sense of "I want that, and I must have it now" is ridiculously intense. I'm always bloody negotiating with it!

I'm one of the world's great optimists, really good at seeing the best in people and situations. I'm also secretly pessimistic, cynical and suspicious (hello again, Dad). It comes out in my humour, which is sarcastic and often unconsciously cutting. I'm trying to keep the sarcasm and lose the sharp edges - work in progress.

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GarlicPound · 20/10/2025 23:00

Thanks, @SocksTalk. I have a diagnosis of CPTSD and, in the end, it does come down to the same thing. When somebody acts dictatorially, my immediate urge is to fight: put them down, shout them down, snarl, even hit them. That's called a trauma response - now I'm aware of what it all means, I also notice I feel as though I'm physically small and they seem to have grown. In my head, I've become a child and they've become my dad! A child would want their adult to fight the scary person so, for a split second, I'm driven to protect her in the way she feels I should 😕

It's taken much longer to type this than it does to happen in life ... and my heart rate went through the roof while I was writing! What's kept me out of prison is the power of a moment's silence and a deep breath, sometimes a literal step back. Regain my normal height and tell them politely to fuck off. Give my inner child a metaphorical hug.

When I started therapy during my divorce, this was an immediate issue - the H knew just how to press my buttons and I was also working for a ridiculous bully. While I've managed not to hit anyone I shouldn't, I clapped back verbally and was constantly in fruitless power struggles with both men. After resolving to breathe and count to ten before responding, I tried it on H. The effect was astounding to me. He made an accusation to wind me up; I breathed, counted, and replied in my normal voice with some bland remark. He looked really surprised, then smirked and walked back out of the room. Blow me! This simple tactic's made a huge difference to my life.

I can do it a lot faster now, but there's nothing wrong with making someone wait a moment while you count and breathe. In so many threads on here, I really wish I could teach the OPs what my therapist taught me that day.

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Wooky073 · 21/10/2025 00:13

All of what you described along with overhwhelm, anxiety and a brain that overthinks and cannot shut down. I have decided to get tested for ADHD - how it presents in women describes me to a T ! Worth looking up the signs. I know my shadow self but it seems that impulse kicks in before thought

LeanToWhatToDo · 21/10/2025 01:07

I'm interested in your CPTSD diagnosis, as I have tried to get therapy in the last couple of years and failed but I do feel I have this. Traumatic childhood and a lot happened 2 years ago just before I nearly died. I've been triggered recently by events locally that remind me of how a friend died and my panic attacks are sneaking back. I honestly don't understand where they come from so much of the time as I don't think I am thinking about anything at all and my heart rate spikes to over 130.

I do really get the speed of defensiveness you posted about though and know I can be very quick to kick back if I feel justice hasn't been done - men being rude particularly when driving is a real knee jerk for me. I have a super strong code for morals and I know I can be rigid about people crossing lines, largely because I struggle to set boundaries so these "rules" help me feel justified to react or push people away. I am particularly hyper sensitive to sexist men.

That post about CPTSD also rung true for a fair bit for me - I have several subjects that I haven't dealt with well that literally sit in my chest or throat like a brick when I think about them and I could cry easily if I talk about them, even now. Other things I have completely dissociated from though, relationships in particular because I have definitely shut down any chance of that happening again. I have spent years weighing up the pros and cons and the cons of relationships outweigh the pros hands down. Friends I can do, not partners.

Frillysweetpea · 21/10/2025 01:49

What's the dark garlic reference?!

GarlicPound · 21/10/2025 01:50

Frillysweetpea · 21/10/2025 01:49

What's the dark garlic reference?!

My username. My shadow side.

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Friendlygingercat · 21/10/2025 02:11

My shadow self does not want to "share". For that reason I have never married, lived together or had children. I always felt that to become one of a pair would diminish me as an individual. I dont want to be responsible for other humans. If fact the idea of doing so makes me shudder. I detest any kind of communal living. Its easy to see these tendancies as selfish and negative. But I have seen so many marriages fail. And when one of a couple dies or leaves the other sits about like a stopped clock with the main spring gone. When you are centered within yourself you have only yourself to look to. It makes you strong and hard.

AnastasiaBeaverhousen · 21/10/2025 02:30

I have a tendency to wallow, silently mind you. If I'm not feeling myself, I shut down and retreat into myself to try to fix me. I despise asking for help. It makes me feel weak.

I have had all the addictions, food, shopping, alcohol, cigarettes and weed. Self analysis would say this stemmed from my teen years where I rebelled against strict parenting and when I felt most unloved. I've worked so hard to have healthy relationship with food and alcohol and stop all the others. Replacing those destructive behaviours with healthy ones has been difficult but so rewarding.

I flip between enjoying rules, order and hierarchy and wanting to screw the whole system. I think this is fairly normal though.

I have a low tolerance for people these days and I'm worried it's making me a lonely old woman as I bother with people less and less.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 21/10/2025 03:00

My shadow side was about as bad as it gets. I’ve worked very, very hard indeed to get it under control, which I more or less have. It’s taken ten years of therapy plus ongoing meds, though.

The last vestiges are catastrophising, maladaptive perfectionism, hyper-awareness of others’ behaviour, an inability to self-soothe (so I do it with food/shopping) and a terrible tendency to be over-generous/helpful to people who don’t deserve it and then get terribly hurt when the object of my generosity doesn’t behave well.

The phrase ‘no good deed goes unpunished’ is increasingly popping into my head. I guess I should stop trying so hard.

ETA: thank you for this thread, it’s genuinely interesting and helpful. You’ve just helped quite a big penny drop.

Oblomov25 · 21/10/2025 03:20

Thank you for this very interesting thread OP.

I too have a very nasty dark side. I'm quite pleasant, but underneath morally superior and can't grasp why some people are so weak and not have strong morals.

I'm content and strong, but years ago as a child felt never enough as was very ordinary and good at everything, brilliant at none. It's created a very wierd me, a middle person of nothingness. I have to work at it constantly to not let the dark me over-rule.

Elleherd · 21/10/2025 08:35

This is both worrying and fascinating to read, another with many similarities.

Though I actually am a hoarder, though a tidy, highly organized one who maintains space and needs to clean a lot, and be clean along with needing excess food, cleaning materials, and soap, etc to be at all comfortable with myself. (almost certainly as a result of growing up in a squalor hoard)
I also know the difference between might come in useful, ie has potential, and will be useful for xyz, and am a maker for a living, so have found some good use for that maladaptive acquisition/retention behavior.

I've also turned out to be very good at helping messy and squalor hoarders sort out their homes and gain control, wider perspective, open up their lives, and have a different if not perfect relationship with 'stuff.' I've put hard gained insight to good use.

But I've spent a very long time trying to no longer have full on HD myself, regardless of how it presents, and not to suffer the extreme distress it brings when trying to challenge it.

Maladaptive perfectionism easily rules the roost if I don't stop it. I've tried to teach my Dc's the concept of good enough, while having little sense of what it actually really is.

I'm both extremely optimistic and extremely cynical, which at least forms a balance, if extreme.

Addiction runs through the family, and I was brought up both drinking alcohol and addicted to nicotine as a young child. I quit smoking, but alcohol's something kept a close eye on, as pain and sleeplessness added to everything else, make it a tempting choice for relief.

As a child lying to cover up very extreme living conditions, (collapsed floors and ceilings, wildlife coming through holes, rot and collapsing goat paths) and parental drinking, violence, and imprisonment, was taught as how we should cover up ourselves.

Loyalty to the parent, was beyond an expectation and fear of the alternative drilled in.

Raised to tell cover stories and constantly randomly drop daily information nuggets everywhere to deflect any possible suspicions. Excusing our permanently closed shutters and blacked out windows, and give the impression of normality, lots of good food, and being entirely responsible for my uncleanliness, injuries and chaos, occurring purely as a result of my own freely made choices.

I got so good at it I was routinely punished at school for so much I obviously wouldn't have any control over at that age, but consoled myself that I was that good that the 'stupid' adults fell for it, and it earned rare parental approval.

As a young adult escaped from childhood and marriage, and hiding; I was accused of being secretive. So totally made up a whole much nicer background story so as to be accepted by others, before recognizing the futility of only being accepted for who and what I'm not, but still find myself implying 'wholesome normal boring background,' in R/L, as opposed to actively lying.😶

If I don't fight it, I initially easily accept blame for anything and everything, often ending up paying for things others break or do in front of me, that they claim was somehow caused by my presence, not their actions.
I try to avoid those who take advantage but visibly disability seems to be a magnet for 'won't take responsibility for themselves manipulative characters' and echoes the now NC relationship with surviving sibling and their methods of surviving the same extreme childhood.

Tend towards too much compassion and understanding for others, which often doesn't serve me well, and now trying to learn to give more to myself.

There's a murderous part of me that has to be deeply provoked to respond, but has been a useful force for survival of myself and mine, and others being harmed.
Not proud of her, but grateful she too exists when needed.

I thought I could go back rescue and forgive and look after my dark and raging 'inner child' from where I knew I effectively abandoned it, and that might help me in life.

But more dangerously dark than I realized, and headed in a different direction from where I want, and would take me into the earth with her given half a chance, so not at all sure that it's wise to do more than hold up a white flag to what turns out to be a powerful enemy.

Might have been different if I'd recognized and tried to address things earlier, and as they say, 'the body keeps the score.' The whole 'heal the inner child' stuff was prompted by a cardiologist and a neurologist, so I'd always encourage others to do something about it all earlier, if possible.

GarlicPound · 21/10/2025 10:54

You've taught me something here, @Elleherd - the lying! Nowhere near as extreme as your background Flowers but my sibs and I were coached on what we'd say at school about weekends and holidays. No mention of violence, yelling and punishments. Our wholesome family activities were not conducted in an atmosphere of terror, oh no. Well, nobody ever asks that, do they? You simply go along with their Ladybird-book assumptions.

I hadn't made this connection, nor seen that I stopped telling social fibs the same year I started telling people my Dad was a sadistic bully.

It's also connected to my extreme reluctance to ask for help. Nothing to see here, nothing wrong, everything's tickety-boo (Daddy says so). Well, well.

Thank you!
Thanks to everyone who's posting. It's really interesting, and very moving. I'm also more delighted than I should be to meet fellow cynical optimists 😄 Heartfelt thanks, too, from Fucky Nell - my inner child /shadow's nickname. You'll get it if you say it out loud.

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LeanToWhatToDo · 21/10/2025 11:02

I like Fucky Nell but I was also mentally calling your shadow child Dalek.

GarlicPound · 21/10/2025 11:06

That works, @LeanToWhatToDo 😂

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Tanya285 · 21/10/2025 11:49

I just think people (myself included) are all a bit shit really.

I particularly hate liars though.

MediocreAgain · 21/10/2025 15:59

Wow, now I think I may be twins with @Elleherd as well. Every bit of your post resonated with me and brought up some things I had forgotten from my own childhood. I was able to lie extremely well from an early age and it got me out of a lot of horrible situations. It almost became a habit as the truth was never safe.

As an adult I have gone to the other extreme to always be honest and be as good of a person as I can. I admit guilt immediately if something is my fault, and also sometimes take the blame for things others did. I think subconsciously I am trying to make up for the things I did as a child, even though I now know many of them were trauma responses to my situation.

I also have hoarding tendencies, and need a backup for a backup to feel safe. I have to be clean - not in an obsessively washing my hands way but I need a shower and my hair washed every morning or I don't feel great. The house is always clean and fairly well organised, but I have a "craft" attic room that is stuffed to the brim with my neatly organised stuff. I am trying now to use it up or let some of it go because I don't want my children to have to deal with it once I'm gone.

Cocolist · 21/10/2025 16:09

Nesting Birds: 100%

TheendofmrY · 21/10/2025 16:12

Many of your points about yourself ring very true for me too OP. Although that’s all stuff I’m very conscious of and mostly not trying to hide from others, but I think some of the point of the shadow self is that a lot of it is about what we are unconsciously repressing about ourselves because it doesn’t fit with our own image of ourselves. So we might not recognise it until we’re confronted with it in traits of other people that we really dislike, maybe beyond what’s reasonable. So going by that, my shadow self is a bit of a sheep who goes along with what other people do, and is both arrogant about her own abilities and a moany bitch. Might be true… Confused

AlanisMorningShed · 21/10/2025 16:35

I have a real aversion to anyone needing to rely on me too much. That's an awful trait really. Can't deal with needy people, actually makes me anxious inside and want to run away.

It works both ways and I can't deal with having to rely on others or ask for help.

I also find it unsettling when people are nurturing or mothering towards me...back off!

I'm so strange....I think I come across as a kind caring, approachable person, even won an award for being caring and I'm an affectionate parent.

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