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PDA Autism, realisation that this fits DD so we had hit hard’

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Allromanticsmeetthesamefate · 11/10/2025 19:45

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DD is 14…

Brief overview, we moved from Scotland to England when she was 6, did worry about the implications of changing education systems as she had just started learning but she seemed to cope ok..

The next year there was a “have you ever considered Dyslexia” chat at parents evening which the school said they would monitor however they put down to her rushing her reading and writing and making silly mistakes. The following year we were told she was struggling with concepts and when presented with variables/changes in problem solving.
Socially and emotionally she managed school well, however around the age of 8 and 9 started having pretty horrific outbursts & Tantrums at home, really struggled with house rules and instructions, “why can’t you just do as you’re told” was a 3 time daily mantra! Also had really horrific sleep regression around this age, night terrors, 3am shouting matches, it was an awful time.

Did ok in school till around 3/4 way through Y7 and the rest is text book, girl autism realisation, stopped being able to mask, went from quite a quiet, conforming student to being the most disruptive, “rude” “difficult” one, spent a lot of time out of class, being shouted at and mostly in isolation. Even now the trauma she suffered there and lack of support to the extent that she has never gone back into a school setting makes me so upset.
Meeting upon meeting, promises of ILP which never materialised, us telling them that their approach was causing a decline in her MH and not wanting to come to school, but it was too late the damage was done and by the time we moved and found a really supportive and flexible school she was just too anxious to attend, school mornings were traumatic for us all, and I’m really not proud of how we handled those early days.

Fast forward 2 years, a very rocky and stressful road and she is now doing online learning, thriving and a completely different kid, we are also still on the RTC assessment pathway where hopefully we will gain an Autism diagnosis..

Though I’ve known that Autism was and is very likely, up until the last few weeks I have never heard of PDA and the realisation that this is it has hit me like a ton on bricks!
Somethings that stands out so much other than 14 years of being told I’m too soft on her and I let her away with much more than I would her siblings (I didn’t, I just understood very early on that her logic and our logic were completely different and no amount of shouting, arguing, pleading, discipline was going to change that, square peg in round hole analogy) but also in later years that her inability to commit to plans and expectations didn’t just extend to boring things or those she didn’t like, but also stuff she did. ie) something that she had been excited about, shopping or a sport competition, if you went and work her up and told her it was time to start the day show would just simply say she wasn’t going, didn’t want to and then stop communicating.
She has also said much more recently that if someone asks her to do something imminently she finds it really hard to do it and she has to wait until “her brain tells her it’s own idea”.

With all this is mind, I’d really love to hear from parents, particularly those of teenage girls who believe their YP is the same and how you navigated those early teenage years, things are good now but we are always learning and as a family we definitely still all have our moments and also how we go into an assessment being as sure as sure we could be that this is the form of Autism she has, will they understand from our description, are able to specify what we think, any advice would be welcome.

And anyone who has a child assessed through the Right to Choose referral route, I’d love to hear how it worked, what you felt of the experience etc

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Autisticburnouthell · 11/10/2025 19:49

There are different types of deman avoidance which autism and these can flucuate over time.

PDA Autism, realisation that this fits DD so we had hit hard’
Sunshineandswimming · 11/10/2025 20:44

My almost 18 year old daughter has Autism & PDA. I knew there was something from as soon as she could speak & I would look at other children who found every day things so much easier. We asked for help from aged 2 or 3 but no one seemed to know what to suggest. When she went to school, lots of the inexperienced teachers didn't think there was anything wrong but she would explode once home from school. No one was particularly interested and almost suggested I was looking for things that weren't there!

One really good teacher recognised there was something wrong & we started the process of referral. She was seen by an awful NHS Paediatrician who said she couldn't have ASD as she could make eye contact & had friends! (How ridiculous is that and so wrong). Gradually primary school started to notice things (that caused them issues) and suddenly they became very interested & supported us having a private assessment. About 1-2 years before the assessment I came across PDA and it was like reading all about our daughter - it fitted her but interestingly, my partner (her dad) had elements of it but it was very evident in my mother in law.

The private psychologist was amazing & diagnosed her but also explained it all so well. We spent a long time with him over several weeks as he assessed & explained it. When DD moved to secondary school she experienced so many friendship issues but also lots of issues with teachers who didn't understand PDA. They thought she was being obnoxious & rebellious, despite us taking in information for them. We had many battles over her needs (extra time in exams, support etc). She begged us to homeschool her but we couldn't. Interestingly, we pushed for study leave for her at GCSEs and she stayed at home & studied without all the loud distractions of other kids & she did far better in her exams than any of the teachers predicted. My DD said her predicted grades were much lower because most of the teachers didn't like her! When they tried to praise her for doing so well & almost claim the glory for how well they had taught her, my DD gave them short shrift & said it was all the work she did at home where she taught herself. She is very straight talking!

We have done lots with DD to help her understand herself & she now has really good insight into what stresses her & what she finds hard. We've all worked together to support her as a family and she asks when she's struggling with things. She knows some jobs won't suit her & she knows that she can sometimes view the world differently to others (she has a strong sense of right & wrong!).

Read as much as you can about PDA so that you can understand your DD and support her. Sadly schools are not the best with PDA and tend to favour being even harder on the child which has totally the opposite effect & is damaging for their mental health.

Good luck.

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whatohwhattodo · 11/10/2025 21:18

My DD is 14 and diagnosed adhd a couple of months ago, also shows signs of Autism as well.

She also struggles and asking her to do things actively makes her not want to them. I have learnt to phrase things more as a suggestion Than a request and under no circumstances to push her to do something.

i also see these traits in my sister - she is unbelievable stubborn and any trying to get her to do something is an immediately clamp down and refusal.

HarryVanderspeigle · 11/10/2025 21:46

Of the small pool of pda kids I know, including one of mine, none of them have made it in mainstream past the first few years of primary. There is a difference between demand avoidance and having it to a pathological level. Obviously that is just my experience, not saying your child can't be pda.

I would be surprised if you get any confirmation of pda under nhs or right to choose, as there isn't a published and agreed national diagnostic framework. For us, the place we got the private autism diagnosis from did an assessment based on the pda society guidelines. It's not officially a diagnosis.

Allromanticsmeetthesamefate · 12/10/2025 09:49

Thanks everyone for this information.

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