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How common is it for old people to end up in a care home?

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Dappy777 · 11/10/2025 17:19

In general, do most old people die at home? Roughly what percentage of us, would you say, end our days in a care or nursing home?

I have a 79-year-old mother. One of my siblings lives with her and I am within walking distance. Also, my husband is a nurse, so he has experience dealing with illness, helping people get in and out of bed, etc. Can people with so much support still end up in a nursing home? If there is enough will and support can you always keep an elderly person in their own home, no matter what? My mother often says she dreads "dying in a strange bed" (as she puts it), and we want to do all we can to prevent that happening.

The priority is her well being, and if that means selling her house to pay for a nursing home, so be it. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't care about the inheritance. No one wants to lose their inheritance unless they have to. How common is it for an elderly person to have to sell their house and go into a nursing home? And who makes that decision? I mean, can a doctor or social worker intervene and insist she go into a nursing home? I suppose what I'm asking is can you usually keep a parent at home if there is enough support, or are there circumstances in which no matter how much support there is the individual simply has to go into care? And how common is that? For example, I have known people whose parents developed dementia and became violent. Presumably such people need 24 hour professional supervision.

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Titasaducksarse · 11/10/2025 21:43

Livelovebehappy · 11/10/2025 20:14

I would fight tooth and nail to avoid my immediate family going anywhere near a care home. Having had recent experiences with visiting an elderly aunt, and an elderly neighbour in a care home, on several occasions, they are awful places run by people who are clearly money focussed, and who employ uneducated, unskilled people who are there because there’s nothing else for them, rather than having a want to care for people.

Good job the not for profit agenda for care homes is a big thing now. Also requirements for staff to be trained and registered with appropriate bodies.

Orpheya · 11/10/2025 21:48

Livelovebehappy · 11/10/2025 20:14

I would fight tooth and nail to avoid my immediate family going anywhere near a care home. Having had recent experiences with visiting an elderly aunt, and an elderly neighbour in a care home, on several occasions, they are awful places run by people who are clearly money focussed, and who employ uneducated, unskilled people who are there because there’s nothing else for them, rather than having a want to care for people.

I literally heard first hand from a friend who works there that it's hell on earth. 1 carer to 30 people per night. The majority get abused, neglected, some even die or fall down trying to get to the toilet from unsecured beds on wheels and nobody cares to toilet them, wash them or change them.

Orpheya · 11/10/2025 21:51

Men wiping women abd calling this bed bath. That's sexual abuse. A woman needs daily intimate showering, we each know this....I despair of your systems folk. It's revolting

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ThatCyanJoker · 11/10/2025 21:56

I looked after my darling mum until she died at home, aged 85 . We had carers three times per day (arranged via the council) and I did am and pm visits plus night call outs if she needed the loo urgently. She gradually became unable to walk at all , so hoist to commode, commode to shower etc. No dementia, and she was so grateful, full of fun and love until the end. As an ex nurse I was able to manage and implement ideas I knew would work, so your husband will be a good help I’d imagine. It was a very hard time but I’m so glad I did it.
Im not expecting my daughter to do the same for me, but I also dread the thought of a care home, having seen some poor examples in my career. Good luck!

Deadringer · 11/10/2025 22:20

My mam was the same @ThatCyanJoker she was herself right up to the end, just increasely frail. I miss her every day.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 11/10/2025 22:29

If dementia is involved, there may often come a point where a care home is the only option - e.g. when the person isn’t safe to be left alone at all any more, or is up and down in the night, shouting, wanting to go,out at 3 am, disturbing everybody else. With the best will in the world it can be utterly exhausting trying to cope with someone like this, so a care home, with someone on hand 24/7, is really the only practical option.

Soontobe60 · 11/10/2025 22:41

Orpheya · 11/10/2025 21:48

I literally heard first hand from a friend who works there that it's hell on earth. 1 carer to 30 people per night. The majority get abused, neglected, some even die or fall down trying to get to the toilet from unsecured beds on wheels and nobody cares to toilet them, wash them or change them.

Well presumably your friend who works there has reported the care home to the relevant bodies?

Chazbots · 12/10/2025 08:56

Exactly, if there's abuse, report it and get the authorities in.

Being super rude about the caring staff and companies who do do a good job is just not helpful and must be so soul destroying for carers who read these sorts of threads.

Look at the homes where carers left their own families for weeks on end in Covid. Like all things in life, there is a massive spectrum in how things are done. But scaring people who might well need to use a carehome is just not ok.

I think it's pretty clear that if dementia is involved and the carers are risking burnout, then a specialist home is better than home care. We couldn't keep our relative clean or happy and when they deny there's no problem at all, whilst their partner is running around for them 24/7, it's soul destroying.

Puzzledtoday · 12/10/2025 09:08

I think it depends how ill they are. Dementia can be too hard to deal with at home after a certain point. You can go a long way though with caters and family members coming in to help, and an LPA to deal with practicalities.

StrongLikeMamma · 12/10/2025 09:45

If they have something like dementia then their needs can become too hard to manage at home. But as someone else said, you may have enough cash to provide extra 24hr care at home.
MIL has gone into a care home finally after running FIL into the ground… her kids and her carer had to sit him down and suggest it was time.
She’s actually responded really well and seems much calmer.
It’s horrifically expensive and will wipe out their savings/ house value.
The stress levels among all family members have lowered immensely since they made the move.
It’s incredibly hard to keep someone at home forever when their needs get too high.
But certainly not inevitable!

StrongLikeMamma · 12/10/2025 09:47

YourPeppyAmberTraybake · 11/10/2025 21:40

This hasn’t been my experience, my DM is in a nursing home, there are 22 residents, with 10 or 11 residents on each floor and nearly as many staff. The staff are the kindest and most caring people I have ever met. They have got to know my DM so well despite her very challenging behaviour.

That’s great to hear 💛

TonTonMacoute · 12/10/2025 09:51

Tubestrike · 11/10/2025 18:40

We have a note at mums GP that she will not be admitted to hospital unless it's an absolute necessity.

We were sure it was the best thing. My mum had spent some time in hospital previously and it had not been of any real benefit to her. In the end she died in her sleep - just slipped peacefully away.

funnelfan · 12/10/2025 09:51

@Dappy777 are you aware of the elderly parents board here? Lots of advice and support on there.

DM has been in a (excellent) home for nearly a year. If I gave up DH, work and my life and moved 100 miles to move in with her, I still could not give her as good care as she gets now. It’s a small independent home run by people who genuinely care, and it has an outstanding cqc report. I was exceptionally lucky they had a vacancy at the right time, they usually have a waiting list.

She was at home with carers visiting 4 times a day before then, and I visited once a week to do her shopping, laundry and other household tasks. It nearly broke me. She had one fall too many trying to get to the toilet, and after 3 weeks in hospital I was not happy that she was safe to be at home. The council wanted her to go home again with the same care package and to lie in bed in her own mess in continence pads between carer visits. At the home she is always clean, and treated with kindness and dignity and taken to the loo when she asks. She has a quiet room and a proper hospital bed with an air mattress. They have all the gear to move her safely, and accessible bathrooms. She gets up for several hours a day and joins the other residents for meals and sits in the conservatory. Sadly she’s not well enough now to join in their activities or day trips any more.

The majority of the other residents appear to have some form of dementia, the rest are very very frail. The one thing they all have in common is that they need 24 hour care.

If there is enough will and support can you always keep an elderly person in their own home, no matter what?

@Dappy777 it depends on where you live, but even in DM’s relatively well run council area they bend over backwards to keep people at home because it’s cheaper than moving them to residential care. However, as our experience shows, I think this can be at the expense of the elderly persons safety and dignity, and that was the line I was not willing to cross for DM.

everymeeveryyou · 12/10/2025 09:52

Not read the whole thread so someone may have already linked to this document. It’s fairly recent and I found it interesting around the number of older people who remain living in their own home https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68d3ee72b6c608ff9421b293/health-trends-and-variation-in-England-25-september-2025.pdf

it is just data, so doesn’t answer the contextual part of your question but it may provide some background evidence of the rates and therefore numbers of older people living in their own homes.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/68d3ee72b6c608ff9421b293/health-trends-and-variation-in-England-25-september-2025.pdf

WinterNightStars · 12/10/2025 09:59

Depends entirely on needs / level of care required for your relative & availability of you / family members to care for them esp if you still have your own responsibilities such as work, childcare etc. Of my 4 grandparents only 1 went into care home, which was excellent. 2 died relatively young, & the other resisted all carers etc at home making it very difficult for everyone. Whilst ideally I wouldn’t want my parents / PIL to be in a care home, the reality is that we live a couple of hours away & both work so popping in daily for example just isn’t feasible. Relocation was due to redundancy & no jobs in the area we were in. The future will no doubt bring difficult times & long journeys.

Wouldprefertobereading · 12/10/2025 10:07

A huge percentage of the population die ‘at home’. Residential and nursing care account for about 5 % of older people. As the population demographics change to incorporate more older old people, this may increase slightly owing to people developing dementia. It’s roughly 1:4 in your 80’s and 1:2 in your 90’s. Dementia developed in very old age tends to be slower and less devastating than dementia developed earlier so is less likely to lead to a care home.

it’s the luck of the draw really. The crisis in social care is what we should be worrying about. Most people want to stay at home and if adequate care can be offered this is a viable option in most circumstances. Sadly a lack of care workers (poor wages combined with a tough, demanding and under appreciated job) means the staying at home option is compromised.. plus the bed blocking hospital crisis it has led to.. don’t get me started..

zingally · 12/10/2025 10:21

It varies so wildly between people, it's impossible to say.

Maternal grandparents:
Grandma had a long drawn out battle with leukemia, and died in hospice care.
Grandad lived independently on his own for about 5 more years after that. Seemed fit and healthy, and just died quietly in the night at home.

Paternal grandparents:
Grandma developed dementia after a series of smallish strokes. Spent about 3 years in a care home, and then died of complications following a fall while out on a walk. She'd been fantastic on her feet up until then, physically really able, so no one got blamed.
Grandpa died in hospital of complications following a fall down the stairs at home. We think grandma maybe pushed him, but we don't really know. He was in for about 10 days.

So 1 out of 4 spent any time in a traditional care home. One died at home and two in variations of "hospital".

But then I had a great aunt who lived independently at home until she was 98! Ended her days with about 2 weeks in hospital.

You honestly can't predict which way it will go.

Tubestrike · 12/10/2025 11:09

I wonder if inheritance comes into play. If an elderly parent owns their own home then it generally has to be sold to pay for the care home, unless the family has £8k a month to spare.

DoAWheelie · 12/10/2025 11:19

I have seen around 10 elderly family members die. Most in their late 80s and early 90s.

None of them were in a care home at any point. Most were independent at home and died in hospital after a very short illness.

One had cancer and was nursed at home for about 3 months by her youngest daughter.

One had dementia and both her youngest son and daughter moved in with their partners and split the care 3 ways (the sons partner didn't help out). This lasted for about 7 years. The daughter was a registered nurse though and had all the knowledge required on how to access support and when to ask for certain treatments. It was a big sacrifice, but it allowed both children to save heavily as they were living in their mother's house and combined with splitting the inheritance that didn't go on care home fees, they were both able to buy a house where they were previously renting.

The latter two may have been placed in a care home if they didn't have family willing (or able) to do the work required.

BlueandWhitePorcelain · 12/10/2025 11:33

verycloakanddaggers · 11/10/2025 17:27

can a doctor or social worker intervene and insist she go into a nursing home? Can you actually imagine yourself ignoring sound medical advice?

No, they can’t, because people have a human right to a private family life in the community; unless they have lost mental capacity - in which case, there would be a best interests meeting. If a doctor or social worker was saying “care home!” and the family disagreed, it would have to go to the Court of Protection for it to be argued out; and the judge would decide.

Having seen the workings of a care home, I never want to go in one myself!

Sunflower2461 · 12/10/2025 11:33

This old study suggests that the life time risk of long-stay entry into a care home, based on 1995/6 admission rates, for men is 16 per cent at birth, rising to 20 per cent at 65. For women, the risk is much higher, rising from 32 per cent at birth to 36 per cent at 65
https://www.pssru.ac.uk/pub/dp1230~3.pdf

Of those who survive to very old age, the risk gets much higher. For example, among survivors to age 85 still living in their own home, the probability of entering a care home before death becomes “almost even” (i.e. ~50%) for women.
https://www.pssru.ac.uk/pub/chop2.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com

60-70% of admissions are due to congnitive decline, 20-30% due to frailty and, 10%-20% due to chronic illness including Parkinsons

https://www.pssru.ac.uk/pub/dp1230~3.pdf

CrotchetyQuaver · 12/10/2025 11:47

Nobody can tell, it depends on how old age gets them ultimately. My DF was in great shape mentally and physically and died at 96 1/2 in the local hospice 48 hours after he was admitted (still living at home beforehand with no carers needed up until I moved in after he was diagnosed) and 12 days after he was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer. It was only the final 3 months that he started to struggle.
my DM unfortunately developed vascular dementia, which she initially dealt with using the complete denial and getting nasty with anyone who suggested something was amiss method - every time she fell she seemed to break something due to osteoporosis, needed to go to hospital to be assessed due to being on blood thinners and she ended up a danger to herself and not safe at home which couldn't be adapted to be safe/suitable for her. It was 2 years from her last hospital stay then discharged to the nursing home before she died age 89.
i think the important things for a good old age are staying active physically and maintaining a social life, going by my parents experiences.
then there's my late DH, who was still working, got ill in February this year age 71 and died in May from a very rare and agressive blood cancer. His parents had both lived into their 90's so I had assumed he would too. It's impossible to say really but probably wise to plan/prepare if you can that some time in a care facility might be needed. My mums needs became too much to be dealt with at home and she needed hoisting from bed to chair in the final year or so.

Winter2020 · 12/10/2025 12:17

StrongLikeMamma · 12/10/2025 09:45

If they have something like dementia then their needs can become too hard to manage at home. But as someone else said, you may have enough cash to provide extra 24hr care at home.
MIL has gone into a care home finally after running FIL into the ground… her kids and her carer had to sit him down and suggest it was time.
She’s actually responded really well and seems much calmer.
It’s horrifically expensive and will wipe out their savings/ house value.
The stress levels among all family members have lowered immensely since they made the move.
It’s incredibly hard to keep someone at home forever when their needs get too high.
But certainly not inevitable!

"It’s horrifically expensive and will wipe out their savings/ house value."

The value of MILs property should be disregarded in the care fees assessment if FIL lives in it.

Google "property disregard for care fees".

PalePinkPeony · 12/10/2025 23:31

B0D · 11/10/2025 20:06

Will all people with dementia eventually need nursing care? My aunt has 4 x visit and is not mobile she is frail and not violent but lonely . SW got a quote for nursing care from a home she was interested in, is that because she will need it?

it’s dementia in our family that has led to care homes

No not all. One person with dementia can be completely different from another. My MIL needed a care home 5 years ago aged 72- advanced dementia needing 24 hour care, doubly incontanant and couldn’t be left alone even for 5 mins.
Her mum had dementia for 10 years and died age 89- lived at home all those years (with carers coming in and family members) except the last few months when she became a risk to herself and aggressive and needed hoists and 24 hour care. So it really can vary on how that person reacts with dementia.

PalePinkPeony · 12/10/2025 23:36

Sunflower2461 · 12/10/2025 11:33

This old study suggests that the life time risk of long-stay entry into a care home, based on 1995/6 admission rates, for men is 16 per cent at birth, rising to 20 per cent at 65. For women, the risk is much higher, rising from 32 per cent at birth to 36 per cent at 65
https://www.pssru.ac.uk/pub/dp1230~3.pdf

Of those who survive to very old age, the risk gets much higher. For example, among survivors to age 85 still living in their own home, the probability of entering a care home before death becomes “almost even” (i.e. ~50%) for women.
https://www.pssru.ac.uk/pub/chop2.pdf?utm_source=chatgpt.com

60-70% of admissions are due to congnitive decline, 20-30% due to frailty and, 10%-20% due to chronic illness including Parkinsons

Quite a few posters on here saying going into a home is unlikely for most and only a small proportion pf people need to go into a home- so going by the stats you have posted this is quite a misconception.