What will happen to all the immigrants housed in hotels?

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We are buying a house at the moment and since expressing an interest a local hotel only 3miles away from the house and in what would be our village/town centre. It’s a very rural community. The house is quite unique in what it offers and we haven’t seen anything that ticks our boxes in the same way - we first viewed a while ago.

There’s uproar locally about anti social behaviour on the village green/children’s play park and a sexual assault which resulted in an arrest. There’s videos circulating online with Middle Aged men making death threat gestures. Obviously I don’t know what preceded the death threats. All associated with the occupants of the hotel.

DH says this happens everywhere and that they will be dispersed eventually to social housing which there is none in the village. His view is we should crack on.

Where we will be is relatively isolated so they’re not likely to disturb our enjoyment of the house but the kids school, the park, the local shops are all in the vicinity of where the trouble is.

I’m trying not to express a view as to whether or not I agree with the decision to house them - just thinking practically re the longer term outlook.

I think it can be an issue when you have people housed in situations where there's no space other than their own (small) rooms. So both HMOs and homeless hostels/asylum seeker hotels where the socialising space has been converted to other uses. So you then get young men sitting around in playgrounds or park benches because they have nowhere else to go other than their own rooms effectively. It's not actually illegal to sit on a park bench. Men in general aren't under a curfew but it makes people nervous. None of that excuses actual crime of course!

It's not a new issue- I have seen uproar about a homeless shelter for (British) men because of the perceived issues it would cause. The easiest workaround would be to allow them access to the hotel socialising spaces- but these are often removed because of pressure to make it less "luxurious". It's completely counterproductive.

All that said, there was a hostel housing refugees near me that I walked past everyday and I didn't actually realise till someone mentioned it!

But worrying about this happening three miles away is extreme anyway.

Mumsnet has spoken OP. What will happen to them is that they will go out and create takeaways for us all to enjoy, so you are not allowed to be concerned about this and should shut up and stop complaining.

I’m not worried about my enjoyment of the house. I’ve made that clear, more than once including in my OP. My concern and the basis of the discussion is about my children’s school, the park close to the school where I envisage they will want to play with their school friends and the local village where they will soon be able to bike to; to the shop and spend time in as they get a bit older. All of which is the epi centre of the hotel and anti social/criminal behaviour.

If you view that as extreme then so be it, but you are intentionally misrepresenting what I’ve said to undermine me - is there any need?

I was more clarifying my (longer) earlier post where I described the potential issues I would be worried about, than calling you extreme for having concerns. The three miles thing is more that the wider the area the less certainty. If something was right by your house it is a smaller area to worry about. There are so many other things that go wrong/right with the village centre I wouldnt tunnel vision on the hostel alone.

The problem is any public space, especially parks etc, will attract a mix of people. Including increasingly young men. These might be local teenagers, or polish builders or in this case the asylum seekers residing at the hotel. It's because they are, by definition, public spaces and because teenagers and people in their twenties like to socialise/hang around with no purpose and don't have that many spaces to do it. Especially these days. I will be honest and say I don't like walking through the park when it's getting dark and the only people around are some men sort of hanging about by the benches. Even though nothings ever happened to me when I do. And I would, if I'm honest be more concerned for teenage girls. But, I think that's always going to be a trade of with spending time in public spaces. If it wasn't the asylum seekers it would be other people. You can't restrict children to the school/their own garden and you shouldn't feel as if you had to. So the local community/overall feel of the place matters. If it's rundown or deserted I would feel differently.
But, I think it's going to be really hard to get an idea of how bad the issue actually is from Facebook. I would want to actually spend time at the park observing myself. To see if it is just that there are sometimes men in the park. Or if there is genuinely ongoing trouble. I suspect the former would be more likely.
It's also hard to make a judgement because circumstances change. They could close the hotel down completely but then some seasonal farm workers move in nearby for spring harvest and they are worse. Or you could buy a house somewhere else and that could happen there. Or a dodgy group of men could move into a flat overlooking the park. Or the men left living in the hotel might be generally OK but then some are moved elsewhere and a couple of troublemakers move on. Or they build estates and a dodgy family move in there. Or the place becomes less busy and all the shops close in the lovely high street. There are too many variables that you can't control. And that will be true everywhere because I think a 3 mile radius is almost too large an area to predict the future for.

Which is a long winded way of saying it probably wouldn't affect my decision unless the part near the school felt genuinely lawless. Apart from anything else I suspect the government will be trying to close hotels down because they are the most expensive option. There's no way of knowing that for certain but when thinking about quite a wide area over a longish timeframe there are so many other uncertainties...

You don't have to agree. But you did post on here asking a question and people answered it.

Happening everywhere? There are just over 32,000 asylum seekers in hotels in the whole of the U.K. they would fill about a third of the seats in Wembley stadium. Not sure how they could affect the lives or people everywhere even if every single one was a violent criminal (which they aren’t - as others have said their offending rate is low).

@persephonia thanks for clarifying.

The local council have published statements about their own concerns re the use of the park and green - it’s not just Facebook posts.

I think it’s happening in alot of city centres. My DH works all over the country and is seeing for himself - that’s partly what has formed his view to crack on irrespective because he thinks you can’t avoid it.

I would still want to visit myself. The thing is, if you are planning on your kids biking everywhere I would also think about the state of the roads etc on the way there. The safety of that route. Whether there are any rural homeless issues etc etc. In addition the Council statement you posted was more about use of the park at night. Which would be very annoying for anyone living nearby kept awake, but less likely to impact you/your children. So it's sort of like what are the actual real concerns versus the Facebook churn.

Same as any park in the country then.

Well you clearly can avoid it, which is why so many posters scoff at people saying it’ll be ok by saying ‘I assume you don’t live near one of the hotels’. And I’m not sure what ‘it’ is anyway. Loads of people saying there’s no trouble at hotels they live near (which is true for me too - plus I worked in a Sanctuary School).
As others have said, go and see. Sit around in the park for a bit. Drive through in the evening/at night. FB is notorious for whipping up problems about nothing.

I did the same with a local traveller camp, I was oblivious! Then I don’t pay attention to local FB group furore.

But these hotels are in every town (if you believe the media) so it makes no odds really.

Nope.

You trying to say we are all in the gutter to make your complacency about anti social behaviour even more comfy for you.

I don’t believe the media on this.
32,000 people in total.

I acknowledged this in my comment at 15:53.

It doesn’t happen where I live now. I often walk the dog at 9pm onwards in the summer months and it’s quiet.

Nobody is complacent about or comfy with anti social behaviour. But it’s not just asylum seekers. We saw a lot of it on Tommy Robinson’s March, for eg. Pissing everywhere and singing ‘get your tits out for the lads’ at women. And the same sort of people graffitiing businesses with racist slogans.

But they aren’t! And even if you are near one most cause no problems whatsoever. Just go and look.

Of course I’ve been to look! My post was about the longer term plan for the residents of the hotel.

My daughter had no idea that there was an asylum centre near to her sports club that she has been walking past for the past year until she began working part time for a company that carries out work there.

There is anti-social behaviour everywhere, especially where groups of people congregate.

Honestly, no this shouldn’t affect your purchase.

Think of crime stats. How many crimes come from those housed in the hotels? Very very little - hence that one crime by that 1 person in a hotel that houses many made national news. How many crimes are perpetrated by men in general? A lot. You can’t avoid them through. Honestly, I’d apply a little perspective.

My local area is directly impacted at the moment by protests about these hotels. The people protesting have done more damage to the local area than the people they’re protesting about. A school girl was raped by a white man walking to school recently and that didn’t make the news and people aren’t avoiding the area because of it, however when 1 immigrant does something there’s uproar. I understand the bigger problem, but I do believe a lot more perspective is needed about where real threats lie.

1in4 women are affected by domestic violence by a male yet there’s sadly no uproar about that.

Your post is about reports on Facebook. It doesn’t say you’ve spent time there.
To answer the question in your title - the plan is to accelerate processing and settle or return asylum seekers. Hotels will be decommissioned as that happens, so longer term it should be sorted.

It might be worth spending a bit of time at the park and in the area to assess the impact for yourself. There is an awful lot of scare mongering around these hotels. We have one in our large village (the only hotel in the area was turned into a asylum hotet) and it has genuinely not been a problem at all. The seem to all be young men who occasion walk into the town centre to go to the shops. They seem to spend most of the time playing football in the car parks as they are so limited in what they are allowed to do. Obviously I can't speak for all these hotels.

I'm certainly not a soft leftie, I'm against immigration at a policy level, but it is not the fault of the individuals.

Don't move near me OP. Our citizens are being repeatedly terrorized by a small gang of teens on e-bikes.

Dog walker with facial injuries, child knocked over, people scared by teens racing up close to them, hoods up. Police appealing for witnesses, great descriptions, not identified though.

Not linked to background of the teens at all. (except local and feral).