Why is it mostly men on the boats?

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Inspired by a different thread relating to yesterday’s march.

Many of the comments on the thread about the march are rude about men, suggesting these ‘gammons’ are violent thugs who’ve told their women to stay at home.

They are men looking for a fight apparently.

One quote - “the fact that it’s only men should raise questions...”

So, my question is “it is mostly men coming in on the boats - shouldn’t that ALSO raise questions…?”

There are far fewer women available to come to the West. Girl children are not much valued in many of the countries from which the ‘refugees’ hail, fewer are born and fewer survive, they are less likely to to be fed and cared for in times of crisis than the precious sons who will carry on the family name.

By the time they reach adulthood, the women are mainly spoken for. The excess men for whom there is little economic opportunity, can flee to more prosperous countries.

You cannot claim asylum in the UK from outside the country; you must be physically present in the UK to apply for asylum. There is no visa available for people to travel to the UK for the purpose of claiming asylum.

Your claim that you’d get the proper visa is fair enough, so would I if it was readily available and I had the means to, but that’s not the same as asylum. That’s just immigration. And you can’t currently gain asylum to the UK without arriving here. You could do that previously, which meant there was less “need” for boat crossings.

I’m sure it would, the wait times would be long and we’d still have those who jumped the queue, but surely having a system in place at all would be a start.

You could say the same about men on Tommy Robinson marches.

Let’s deal with VAWG wherever it originates. Quickly, seriously and publicly.

At the start of World War 2 my great grandfather and his three year old son (my grandfather) left Poland for FranceUK with the intention that his wife and the other children would follow on after. The borders closed and they all died in a variety of concentration camps, and my grandad wound up living in the UK. Families have always been separated in war. Its hard sometimes to know what the safest option is. So I wouldn't judge people in difficult circumstances for the decisions they made. And no, that doesn't mean I want completely open borders sigh.

You can travel to the UK on a work visa, and come legitimately if you are fleeing poverty and want to work for a better life. You can come on a tourist or student visa and claim asylum once here; it’s a recognised loophole. You can go to a refugee camp and be assessed as in need; if the experts don’t prioritise young men, there’s generally a good reason for that - the most vulnerable are the elderly, women, and children. Every single one of these men on boats is taking the place of an actual vulnerable person.

There are already safe routes and men jumping the queue; more safe routes would mean more men jumping the queue.

VAWAG is abhorrent and we need to work to reduce it. Every single act of VAWAG by a migrant is preventable.

All of the things you describe making use of a visa are immigration, and we’re discussing asylum seekers.

I think it’d create such a large number of people waiting that it would be hard to manage.

No, unless you believe that women in other countries aren’t humans.

Most people now agree there’s a difference between genuine asylum seekers, and economic migrants who have been coached to apply for asylum to get their foot in the door and financial support, while large numbers work in the black or grey markets. The latter are being rooted out, and not before time. Even the Labour government is starting to talk about deterrents, deportation, reciprocal removals and sanctions on countries who will not accept returns. If these were people in genuine danger, they wouldn’t be taking those steps.

Before the start of WWII my pregnant grandmother came with her husband, and my GGM with her husband, to seek asylum. Men don’t have to desert their women.

Conversely, Ukrainian men stayed to fight whilst sending the vulnerable to safety. Perhaps we don’t want a country full of cowards who leave their vulnerable to die?

Did you miss “You can come on a tourist or student visa and claim asylum once here; it’s a recognised loophole.”?

Also, when people talk about ‘economic migrants’ I wonder if they don’t understand what poverty looks like in the majority world. You’re just as dead if you can’t afford a doctor, or a home to protect you from the elements, or food for your family, as if you get shot.
Millions of people die of diarrhea every year. Malaria. Pneumonia.

In France?

Many tend not do do it on their doorstep, because they are likely to face far more severe consequences than they do here. A large contributory factor in the grooming gangs scandal was that the largely Pakistani men viewed white girls as lesser and so deserved their foul treatment, whereas Pakistani girls were wife material and not passed around and gang raped.

And Italy, Greece, Austria, Germany, Turkey…

How do I know what country these men are from, because they stand on the beach taking the Micky in English, running down our country while being happy to be here.. and boasting. my friend who is being frightened by them while walking her dog,her parents came over from Germany during the war, they are polish.

Because when women try it they drown - it's not a fucking walk in the park.

Plenty of dead children too, if you'd like.

It's almost as if only the strongest and most fit can make one of the most dangerous water crossings on the globe, isn't it ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/25/record-number-of-children-died-crossing-channel-last-year-says-un

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce84nw9pllwo

You know those videos of people interviewed on the beaches are AI right?

The young women I know were smuggled into the country as young teens. One in a secret compartment in a van. The other was flown in on a fake passport and dumped at social services. Their families both paid money for this "luxury" journey.

I didn’t miss that. I’m just not sure why you’re talking about visas at all. They’re not relevant and don’t form the basis of asylum figures.

It sounds like what you’d hope, and why you’re bringing them up, is that everyone who arrives in the UK has a visa in place already?

That would involve, at least in the most part; doing away with asylum together. Because if you’re here on a work or student visa, you’re not an asylum seeker you’re a migrant.

When women try it they drown because of the men who either cram and crush them, or push them over when problems happen in the dinghies and they prioritise saving themselves. Those are the sort of men who are coming.

Yes. There are no well publicised issues for Afghan women.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-55765213 Plenty of women here, but the people growing your cannabis and doing your nails don't fit the narrative so they only turn up in the news and social media when they are dead.