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Ever climbed up Mount Sinai?

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Tiredofwhataboutery · 07/09/2025 22:29

I did this many years ago when I was an intrepid backpacker in dahab. It was a real experience starting to walk up at midnight, the steps of penitence, an incredibly clear sky and stars that somehow seem so much bigger than anywhere else on earth.

The monastery there blew my, admittedly tiny, mind. I just couldn’t wrap my head around how Greek Orthodox monastery was in a mainly Muslim country at a religious site that was so important to Christianity. It sparked a massive interest in history for me.

I’m not religious but it felt like a really spiritual experience to me, watching the dawn break across the mountains. In comparison the Vatican just felt like a place of power.

I was a bit shocked to read that the Egyptian government are developing it into a tourist attraction with hotels etc and running a cable car up the mountain . Really sorry for the local Bedouins who are being displaced. I know that lots of people in Egypt depend on tourists for income and I’m sure it makes financial sense to develop the site but just seems wrong somehow. Just wondered what other people thought?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c707kx2nk7go

The mountains at dusk, from Jebel el Ahmar in 2024. Light hits the top of a rocky mountain range, which stretches into the distance

One of the world's most sacred places Mount Sinai is being turned into a mega-resort

The biblical site of Mount Sinai in Egypt is at the heart of an unholy row over plans to build a huge new tourism project.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c707kx2nk7go

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catsmother · 07/09/2025 23:36

I've climbed it twice - once in the late 80s and again early 90s. The first time, I spent the very uncomfortable night actually on the mountain itself though very little sleep was had on a thin mat and sleeping bag atop uneven stones. However, that night was one of my lifetime 'wow' memories with a magical sky - completely unaffected by any light pollution at all - the likes of which I've not seen since which was awash with stars of different sizes and brightness, many many shooting stars and the clear repetitive tracks of satellites. It was an amazing 'show' and I was in awe of nature. As a naiive young 20 something I climbed with a large rucksack, wearing moccasins of all things. Doing that now would terrify me, how I didn't slip and injure myself I don't know.

I remember a little old man at some point near the summit who was selling tea and hot chocolate to the climbers and appreciating how it was piping hot in the freezing night air.

Second time round - in walking boots this time - I set off at 2am in order to see the sunrise. It was even colder then (December vs September) and I recall being so bitterly cold that I really struggled to get my lenses in as I was shivering so much. My group was staying in a very basic hostel within walking distance of the mountain's base ... beds on concrete platforms, rough wooden doors. This added to the middle of nowhere 'otherness' of the whole experience. Climbing in the gradually dawning morning light I remember how colourful the stone ridges seemed ... shades of purple, red and orange.

I also visited St Katherine's monastery ... like you, I'm not at all religious but you would have had to have a very hard heart not to respect the feeling of dedicated spirituality which the monastery seemed to have. I remember being fascinated by the ossuary there; I'd never seen anything like it but it wasn't frightening, and seemed a practical and respectful solution to the difficulty of otherwise maintaining a graveyard there for the monks. My dad had visited St Katherine's 40 years before I did during his national service so I also felt a connection to him in this very isolated location. At that time, people, animals and goods apparently entered the monastery via a large basket which was hauled up the wall to a high entry point.

Like you, I definitely felt very moved by my visits, particularly the first, because it was such a shock to the system (in a good way). And regardless of my lack of faith I was also very conscious of how important the site was to the 3 major religions. Even being young I very much felt a sense of privilege to be there and see something so important and so remote. To get there each time had taken a very long, bumpy and dusty drive across the desert.

I hadn't known anything of the area being developed at all so thank you for linking to that news item. It's a big shame in my opinion as easier access from the Red Sea resorts will inevitably turn it into nothing more than 'something to do' for some people who may not be aware of, or care to find out about, its history and significance and as with many popular tourist 'attractions' you then run the risk of a lack of respect being shown. When you've got to your destination by a somewhat arduous journey, you're more likely to genuinely want to go there for the sense of achievement / history / appreciation of the natural surroundings and / or the religious significance.

I wonder if, with the government pushing ahead, whether the monastery will be able to retain its automony and restrict visitor numbers to a level it feels comfortable with? It is, after all, a place of both work and worship. As for running a cable car up the mountain itself ... well, that's really quite upsetting to be honest though I have no right to feel like that personally of course. It just seems so incongruous and disrespectful, again, given Mt Sinai's to believers.

I don't think I'd want to go back again now or in the future and would prefer to see it in my mind's eye as it was.

smallglassbottle · 07/09/2025 23:47

I'm eastern orthodox and felt very sad and somewhat shocked at reading the article this morning. I don't know what to say really. I pray the monastery survives, but the entire place will be wrecked by what they're doing. It somehow seems to reflect what's going on all over the world now. Nothing is sacred anymore. I expect Christians will be pushed out of Israel too, in the future.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 08/09/2025 06:32

@catsmother I agree with so much of what you’ve said. I’d always planned to go back and visit again now I understand the history of the place but I think it’d ruin it. I think the relentless march of progress had slready begun in early noughties as they’d put in a decent road from the coast., still two hours away. It wasn’t hugely busy there was maybe a hundred people waiting to get in the monastery.

@smallglassbottle I do hope the monastery survives too. It’s an incredibly special place for so many reasons.

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PurpleChrayn · 08/09/2025 06:35

What does this have to do with Israel pushing out Christians? Sinai is in Egypt. It is known by its Arabic name Jabal al Moussa. This is proof of Islamic colonisation and imperialism.

MockBatter · 08/09/2025 06:41

I climbed it in the late 90s while
on a diving trip to Dahab. It was freezing but very peaceful and the sky was mind blowing. We met two tea sellers and no other infrastructure to support the climbers. I loved it like that. I’m not religious and don’t find it a religious awakening but it was a special place.

i went back to Dahab two years ago and the whole area is seriously developed and full of Russian tourists who have limited countries who will give them visas so concentrate in places that do. I appreciate this is a generalisation but as a group they do not respect the environment at all. Divers were snapping off bits of coral, litter was being dropped in the sea, locals were being treated quite rudely. I expect this development is to respond to the change in the desires of the tourists who visit the area.

So many peaceful special places have been seriously negaitvely impacted by mass tourism.

SumUp · 08/09/2025 06:44

The local Bedouin people should be centred in this. It is a very special place for anyone to experience, not just people of faith. The area would be ruined by mass tourism. I was planning to return one day but I will now stay with my memories. Thank you for raising awareness.

Lafufufu · 08/09/2025 06:48

I did it maybe 10nyears ago when virtually no brits were going to Egypt.
It was fucking horrible.

Hundreds of people (local teens, Russians and ukrainians and us)

Men yelling "lubbly jubbly" and other whimsical phrases to lure you in and hire their poorly treated / well beaten camel named "Michael Jackson" if you were too lazy to walk and then you could buy a pot noodle at the top.

There was litter everywhere. Various demos just throwing trash onto the mountain side.

I was just appalled and angry we'd paid £££ to contribute to thr destruction of the place.

Tiredofwhataboutery · 08/09/2025 07:01

@MockBatter I was also in Dahab for the diving. I did this amazing camel dive safari where you and your gear are driven up the coastline till the road ran out in the back of pickup trucks. Then loaded up on to camels for a few hours till you reached a Bedouin settlement on the beach. Just some little huts. I have all these memories of a lovely lady cooking flatbreads on an upside down wok over the open fire. The most pristine reef I’ve ever seen being vigorously guarded by an aggressive clownfish. Endless tiny cups of hot sweet tea after every dive. Dinner was whatever fish was caught cooked slowly, buried under the embers of the campfire. It was an incredible experience but I suspect it’s roads and hotels now and the people who lived there are long gone.

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Tiredofwhataboutery · 08/09/2025 07:11

Lafufufu · 08/09/2025 06:48

I did it maybe 10nyears ago when virtually no brits were going to Egypt.
It was fucking horrible.

Hundreds of people (local teens, Russians and ukrainians and us)

Men yelling "lubbly jubbly" and other whimsical phrases to lure you in and hire their poorly treated / well beaten camel named "Michael Jackson" if you were too lazy to walk and then you could buy a pot noodle at the top.

There was litter everywhere. Various demos just throwing trash onto the mountain side.

I was just appalled and angry we'd paid £££ to contribute to thr destruction of the place.

That genuinely horrifies me. I remember it being so quiet and respectful and clean. There were camels but no one was riding them, no shouting. If I were ever in charge of the world there’d be a severe punishment for litterbugs.

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Lafufufu · 08/09/2025 07:15

Not to be dramatic but I was very upset about it at the time and this thread really brought it back.

It was just so sad and the men were so creepy too...i dread to think what it's like now

Tiredofwhataboutery · 08/09/2025 07:27

@Lafufufu I really am sorry. I’ve met the creepy men trying to sell you stuff abroad ( not in Egypt it was in Morocco) they spat at our feet when we said no it was a such a negative experience and it really stuck with me.

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verybighouseinthecountry · 08/09/2025 07:35

PurpleChrayn · 08/09/2025 06:35

What does this have to do with Israel pushing out Christians? Sinai is in Egypt. It is known by its Arabic name Jabal al Moussa. This is proof of Islamic colonisation and imperialism.

It's called Jabal Mousa because Moses climbed Mt Sinai. This is Biblical, Mousa is Arabic for Moses, this is what Arab Christians use. Nothing to do with "Islamic colonization".

smallglassbottle · 08/09/2025 16:28

PurpleChrayn · 08/09/2025 06:35

What does this have to do with Israel pushing out Christians? Sinai is in Egypt. It is known by its Arabic name Jabal al Moussa. This is proof of Islamic colonisation and imperialism.

Because it's happening in the West Bank as well and will no doubt spread to Jerusalem.

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