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Will the European leaders stand up to Putin

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Viviennemary · 17/08/2025 23:12

Surely Trump and Putin can't just carve up Ukraine in a done deal between the two of them. Or does Trump has a surprise up his sleeve. Sounds like the end of Nato more or less. Anyone else worried. I am.

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llizzie · 20/08/2025 02:25

LifeExperience · 18/08/2025 19:41

The only thing keeping Ukraine in the war right now is American $$$$, and the American people are beyond sick and tired of paying for other peoples' wars.

What can Europe do? Dismantle its social welfare system to pay for soldiers and weapons. Since that isn't going to happen, the answer is nothing. You lack the will to do anything meaningful.

As I write this, the Euro "leaders" are sitting outside the Oval Office cooling their heels while the real players meet inside. That photo is making the rounds here in the US and we are all laughing about it.

The specific U.S. law is Public Law 115-44, also known as the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), enacted in 2017. Within this law, Section 257 addresses U.S. policy on Ukrainian energy security and explicitly states:
“It is the policy of the United States… to never recognize the illegal annexation of Crimea by the Government of the Russian Federation or the separation of any portion of Ukrainian territory through the use of military force.”
You can access the full text of Public Law 115-44 here: 
For additional context, 22 U.S. Code § 8902 outlines the U.S. policy toward Ukraine, including condemnation of Russia’s actions in Crimea. 
Furthermore, the Crimea Annexation Non-recognition Act (H.R.463), introduced in the 115th Congress, reinforces this stance by prohibiting any federal agency from taking actions that imply recognition of Russia’s sovereignty over Crimea. 
These legislative measures collectively underscore the United States’ commitment to supporting Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity. 

llizzie · 20/08/2025 02:32

Morningsleepin · 19/08/2025 01:55

Surely, if the Ukraine is losing, it is better for the Ukrainians to reach a deal, or do people think they should keep on fighting until the last Ukrainian is dead?

I have posted above that America in 2017 did not recognise Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

I am not sure about American law, but what Trump is doing for his own ends seems illegal according to the document I posted above.

I worry that just a month after his inauguration, he was laying into President Zelenskyy about paying for the weapons Biden sent in his term, and demanding Ukraine gives up territory. It's speed points to the possibility that despite sanctions, he may have been in contact with Putin.

Someone on TV suggested Putin may have something on him. Did he break the sanctions?

Tuesday he repeated that sanctions will not work on Russia, yet a couple of weeks ago he was threatening Russia with even more. Now he says a ceasefire won't work.

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