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Thread 27 Starmer: He's a very clever cat

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DuncinToffee · 11/07/2025 18:03

A nod to the Chief Mouser

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Saucery · 28/07/2025 11:53

Thank you. I try to avoid what Trump says, mostly. Wind turbines aren’t windmills, they aren’t milling anything…..I don’t know why I’m typing that, Liz Truss isn’t on here and even if she were, she wouldn’t listen Grin

Notonthestairs · 28/07/2025 12:09

Piggywaspushed · 28/07/2025 11:49

If anyone has The Times, or local interest, read the article about the Real Bedford guy. If he isn't somehow involved with Farage at some point I'll eat my hat...

Slightly wondering how something that seems so local press made it into The Times, otherwise.

It's made its way to national press because it fits the message the Times is selling.
I hope he has bloody good insurance because I can see sending security people into a town centre to 'make it safe' going wrong in a dozen different ways.

Notonthestairs · 28/07/2025 12:11

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2025 11:34

Echoing threads on here

https://bsky.app/profile/peterwalker99.bsky.social/post/3luzdtudq2k2j
Nigel Farage at his crime press conference in London is openly arguing that migration is causing an increase in the number of rapes, and talking about the need for the "right kind" of migrants. It feels like Reform's supposed firewall against far right rhetoric is disappearing at speed.

Was he questioned about the number of rioters that had previous convictions for domestic violence/stalking?

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2025 13:53

Was he questioned?

Is that a hypothetical question?

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DuncinToffee · 28/07/2025 14:12

Their body language

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Notonthestairs · 28/07/2025 14:15

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2025 13:53

Was he questioned?

Is that a hypothetical question?

Yes 😁

countrygirl99 · 28/07/2025 14:16

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2025 14:12

Their body language

Would definitely prefer to be with the Lionesses

Notonthestairs · 28/07/2025 14:21

I was just posting on a different thread about charging for NHS appointments and remembered a really interesting Kings Fund analysis about the pros and cons of introducing a new system - thought you might find it interesting too.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/insight-and-analysis/long-reads/nhs-crisis-evaluating-radical-alternatives

Notonthestairs · 28/07/2025 14:29

I’m just going to highlight the Kings Fund findings but it’s worth reading the article in full if you ever have time/inclination.

Each of these ‘radical’ alternatives has its own strengths and weaknesses. They are all used in one form or another somewhere in the world – these are not theoretical concepts and they have been seen as appropriate for some countries. Given the current state of the NHS, should we consider using these alternatives in the English system?
There are four key reasons why this would not be advisable.
First, the cost of changing to a new model would be substantial, both in terms of the resources needed but also the opportunity cost. Take, for example, introducing a social insurance model, which is often proposed. As each country’s interpretation of this model differs, a design unique to England would need to be developed, legislated for and implemented, with a lengthy transition period if a new financial partnership between the individual and the state was required.
Second, in the long term, there is no evidencethat suggests any specific funding models routinely delivers a better health care systemthan any other. In fact, what tends to differentiate performance of health systems is the level of investment rather than underlying model of funding. This would suggest that a lengthy, costly and disruptive transition to social insurance is unlikely to deliver significant improvements in and of itself, without a corresponding increase in investment.
Third, self-pay and expanding charges would have ramifications for health inequalities for those unable to afford them and would also be unlikely to reduce pressure on the NHS. Furthermore, those who delay or avoid care due to cost could increase demand for expensive treatments, and this could also result in poorer health outcomes. All the different models still need a tax-funded safety net, and if this is not adequately funded and resourced there will be implications for health inequalities.
Finally, in the short term, there are significant challenges facing the NHS that these alternatives do not help to tackle. None of the alternatives proposed above would in and of themselves increase the capacity of the health care sector and so there would be no meaningful impact on improving access or reducing the backlogs of care more quickly. They would not result in more beds, diagnostics equipment, or improvements in the state of NHS buildings. Neither would they overcome the significant workforce challenges in the NHS, which require action to boost recruitment and retain existing staff. Likewise, to improve health outcomes requires action on both the quality of health care and also societal action on the wider determinants of health, which these alternatives do not guarantee.
England needs to improve both health and care delivery and health outcomes. Doing this requires additional investment particularly on capital (buildings and equipment), fundamental changes to social care funding and provision, a comprehensive approach to improving the wider determinants of health and governments adopting a long-term perspective to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past on issues such as workforce planning. None of the ‘radical’ alternative models would be an immediate or targeted solution to the challenges facing the NHS. In fact, each would bring their own drawbacks as well as benefits and introducing any of these would bring significant disruption. Tackling the challenges is better done through improving our current health care system rather than jumping ‘out of the frying pan and into the fire’.

Notonthestairs · 28/07/2025 14:31

I’ve read on MN a number of times that Farage wouldn’t use the US system as a model and therefore a change would be fine - but this clearly outlines the issues with that and that the NHS would continue to need more not less investment.

Piggywaspushed · 28/07/2025 14:46

Notonthestairs · 28/07/2025 14:29

I’m just going to highlight the Kings Fund findings but it’s worth reading the article in full if you ever have time/inclination.

Each of these ‘radical’ alternatives has its own strengths and weaknesses. They are all used in one form or another somewhere in the world – these are not theoretical concepts and they have been seen as appropriate for some countries. Given the current state of the NHS, should we consider using these alternatives in the English system?
There are four key reasons why this would not be advisable.
First, the cost of changing to a new model would be substantial, both in terms of the resources needed but also the opportunity cost. Take, for example, introducing a social insurance model, which is often proposed. As each country’s interpretation of this model differs, a design unique to England would need to be developed, legislated for and implemented, with a lengthy transition period if a new financial partnership between the individual and the state was required.
Second, in the long term, there is no evidencethat suggests any specific funding models routinely delivers a better health care systemthan any other. In fact, what tends to differentiate performance of health systems is the level of investment rather than underlying model of funding. This would suggest that a lengthy, costly and disruptive transition to social insurance is unlikely to deliver significant improvements in and of itself, without a corresponding increase in investment.
Third, self-pay and expanding charges would have ramifications for health inequalities for those unable to afford them and would also be unlikely to reduce pressure on the NHS. Furthermore, those who delay or avoid care due to cost could increase demand for expensive treatments, and this could also result in poorer health outcomes. All the different models still need a tax-funded safety net, and if this is not adequately funded and resourced there will be implications for health inequalities.
Finally, in the short term, there are significant challenges facing the NHS that these alternatives do not help to tackle. None of the alternatives proposed above would in and of themselves increase the capacity of the health care sector and so there would be no meaningful impact on improving access or reducing the backlogs of care more quickly. They would not result in more beds, diagnostics equipment, or improvements in the state of NHS buildings. Neither would they overcome the significant workforce challenges in the NHS, which require action to boost recruitment and retain existing staff. Likewise, to improve health outcomes requires action on both the quality of health care and also societal action on the wider determinants of health, which these alternatives do not guarantee.
England needs to improve both health and care delivery and health outcomes. Doing this requires additional investment particularly on capital (buildings and equipment), fundamental changes to social care funding and provision, a comprehensive approach to improving the wider determinants of health and governments adopting a long-term perspective to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past on issues such as workforce planning. None of the ‘radical’ alternative models would be an immediate or targeted solution to the challenges facing the NHS. In fact, each would bring their own drawbacks as well as benefits and introducing any of these would bring significant disruption. Tackling the challenges is better done through improving our current health care system rather than jumping ‘out of the frying pan and into the fire’.

I mean, it's all so blindingly obvious . But if you post that on another thread, you'd be told they/you are Communists.

Piggywaspushed · 28/07/2025 14:47

Trump has just said the starvation in Gaza is real. This will send some of MN into a tailspin.

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2025 16:00

🍊: I'm not a fan of your mayor. I think he's done a terrible job. The mayor of London. A nasty person.

Starmer: He's a friend of mine

Cue more meltdown

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placemats · 28/07/2025 16:02

Xitter has been full on starvation isn't real in Gaza because the parents look healthy or they're overweight latter being directed towards women. So awful there's no words.

Trump is not to be trusted on anything or by anyone.

PickAChew · 28/07/2025 16:07

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2025 14:12

Their body language

🙄🤡🤨 In emojis.

PandoraSocks · 28/07/2025 16:14

placemats · 28/07/2025 16:02

Xitter has been full on starvation isn't real in Gaza because the parents look healthy or they're overweight latter being directed towards women. So awful there's no words.

Trump is not to be trusted on anything or by anyone.

There is a charming MN poster who has been writing that shit on here.

PandoraSocks · 28/07/2025 16:16

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2025 16:00

🍊: I'm not a fan of your mayor. I think he's done a terrible job. The mayor of London. A nasty person.

Starmer: He's a friend of mine

Cue more meltdown

Well that will shut up those who claim Starmer sucks up to 🍊

BIossomtoes · 28/07/2025 16:27

PandoraSocks · 28/07/2025 16:16

Well that will shut up those who claim Starmer sucks up to 🍊

Doubt it. They just make it up if it doesn’t happen.

placemats · 28/07/2025 16:56

PandoraSocks · 28/07/2025 16:14

There is a charming MN poster who has been writing that shit on here.

One should always be suspicious of coincidences.

Piggywaspushed · 28/07/2025 16:59

PandoraSocks · 28/07/2025 16:14

There is a charming MN poster who has been writing that shit on here.

The worst is that the child has cancer . Oh, that's OK then.

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2025 17:00

Khan's response to Trump

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placemats · 28/07/2025 17:04

The body language between Ursula and the 🍊 was cringe. This is worse than watching Here We Go. Series 3 episode 1. Where is John Boy?

placemats · 28/07/2025 17:07

London is my favourite city. Always has been. So much better for Khan being the Mayor.

SerendipityJane · 28/07/2025 17:32

BIWI · 27/07/2025 19:58

Finally an England team can win on penalties! Maybe the men need lessons Grin

(you never know who is reading)

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placemats · 28/07/2025 17:40

So far several threads on immigration almost hourly, a few regarding vaccinations, some on travel to the US, three regarding the Lionesses and the fabulous win, private doctors, paying for doctors and for ER. So immigration, travel and health insurance with a bit of misogyny regarding women's elite sports thrown in. Have I got this right?