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Southport killer Axel Rudakubana will not be named in the public enquiry

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NoelFaraday · 08/07/2025 15:39

Southport killer Axel Rudakubana will not be named in the upcoming public probe into last summer's triple murders, the inquiry's chairman has revealed.

Rudakubana, 18, will instead be referred to in the report as the "perpetrator" or "AR".
In his opening statement on Tuesday, inquiry chairman Sir Adrian Fulford claimed that Rudakubana’s name should not be used for reasons of sensitivity.
Fulford said: “For the benefit of the victims and their families, for whom this is an issue of significant and wholly understandable sensitivity, his name should not be used again during this inquiry.

“He will will simply be referred to as ‘the perpetrator’ or ‘AR’.”
The ex-Court of Appeal judge added: “However hard we try, ordinary language simply fails to reflect the enormity of what he did on July 29 last year.
"None of the most powerful adjectives even begin to suffice: there are no words that adequately describe what occurred and I am not going to try (and then fail) to find them.”
The Liverpool Town Hall inquiry will focus on whether the attack could have been prevented and whether adequate measures are in place to tackle teenagers “who are drawn into extreme violence without a commitment to a particular religious or political cause”.

The probe has been launched just months after Rudakubana was handed a life sentence with a minimum term of 52 years in January.
Rudakubana carried out his horrific attack at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class in Southport on July 29 last year.

Alice da Silva Aguiar, nine, Bebe King, six, and Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, were tragically killed in the stabbing spree.
Rudakubana also attempted to murder eight other children, class instructor Leanne Lucas and local businessman John Hayes.

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Remember when they tried to pass him off as being a Welsh choirboy and only posted photos of him as a little boy?

He is an evil murderer and his name should be read out in full.

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PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 11:56

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 06/11/2025 11:47

The member of the Rudakubana family I do sympathise with is his brother. My siblings and I didn't exactly always get on like houses on fire growing up but I never had to live in fear of them being violent towards me in our own home.

I wonder if he'll change his name. I suspect I would do in his position.

I am not sure though - he was an adult at university the day that his brother went out that day with a knife and there was an opportunity missed there to alert the police about that. That combined with wearing a face covering. They thought he was just going out for a walk? Absolutely don’t buy that. Especially having not gone out for two years prior. I have less sympathy for him after reading this article, but I still hold some for him having to have a brother like this.

Coffeeishot · 06/11/2025 11:58

The families and other people who's lives have been devastated by this horrific man do not need to hear his name, a decision was made on their behalf, surely they matter?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 06/11/2025 12:05

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 11:56

I am not sure though - he was an adult at university the day that his brother went out that day with a knife and there was an opportunity missed there to alert the police about that. That combined with wearing a face covering. They thought he was just going out for a walk? Absolutely don’t buy that. Especially having not gone out for two years prior. I have less sympathy for him after reading this article, but I still hold some for him having to have a brother like this.

Ah okay. I haven't read much about the family because there's a lot of misinformation out there and it's impossible to know what is true. For some reason I had him as being younger than AR and thought he was about 15 at the time.

I wonder how he feels towards his parents now for allowing all the violence to fester and grow unchallenged.

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 14:37

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 06/11/2025 12:05

Ah okay. I haven't read much about the family because there's a lot of misinformation out there and it's impossible to know what is true. For some reason I had him as being younger than AR and thought he was about 15 at the time.

I wonder how he feels towards his parents now for allowing all the violence to fester and grow unchallenged.

Yes, you’re right there’s misinformation circulating. But yes, he was a few years older than him. The impression I got was that they really didn’t know what to do. In instances like this, I feel that SS need to step in and I wonder why the school may be did not refer, and if he was referred, why did they close his case. He wasn’t an unruly child, he was violent. He needed careful monitoring, and input even from CAMHs.

pointythings · 06/11/2025 14:42

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 14:37

Yes, you’re right there’s misinformation circulating. But yes, he was a few years older than him. The impression I got was that they really didn’t know what to do. In instances like this, I feel that SS need to step in and I wonder why the school may be did not refer, and if he was referred, why did they close his case. He wasn’t an unruly child, he was violent. He needed careful monitoring, and input even from CAMHs.

The problem is that CAMHS are on their knees after 14 years of neglect. It's almost impossible to get help even if you ask for it. If you're not actively asking and it's just coming from the school, no chance.

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 15:08

pointythings · 06/11/2025 14:42

The problem is that CAMHS are on their knees after 14 years of neglect. It's almost impossible to get help even if you ask for it. If you're not actively asking and it's just coming from the school, no chance.

Hmm, maybe they ought to prioritise cases like this where there is a high risk of harm to others?

I am following the public inquiry- he had machetes, ricin, a bow and arrow and a jerry can all delivered to his home.

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 15:08

pointythings · 06/11/2025 14:42

The problem is that CAMHS are on their knees after 14 years of neglect. It's almost impossible to get help even if you ask for it. If you're not actively asking and it's just coming from the school, no chance.

Hmm, maybe they ought to prioritise cases like this where there is a high risk of harm to others?

I am following the public inquiry- he had machetes, ricin, a bow and arrow and a jerry can all delivered to his home.

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 15:09

I work in mental health myself and I do know how stretched services are, but in their defence and for balance, they do prioritise high risk cases.

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/11/2025 15:11

OP not been back.

Single post wind up threads are really stupid.

pointythings · 06/11/2025 15:53

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 15:08

Hmm, maybe they ought to prioritise cases like this where there is a high risk of harm to others?

I am following the public inquiry- he had machetes, ricin, a bow and arrow and a jerry can all delivered to his home.

I agree with that, but then the question is how much the school knew. We have already established why the family may not have sought help, and blame attaches to them nevertheless, but the school may not have been aware of the extent of the issues at home. It's never simple.

kerstina · 06/11/2025 16:18

I do feel angry though. That he could have all those weapons delivered to his house and nobody stopped him. Those poor girls were failed. More and more these cases don’t just happen in isolation there is so much that could have been done at every step to have stopped this horrific crime.

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 16:47

pointythings · 06/11/2025 15:53

I agree with that, but then the question is how much the school knew. We have already established why the family may not have sought help, and blame attaches to them nevertheless, but the school may not have been aware of the extent of the issues at home. It's never simple.

Very true @pointythings

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 16:48

kerstina · 06/11/2025 16:18

I do feel angry though. That he could have all those weapons delivered to his house and nobody stopped him. Those poor girls were failed. More and more these cases don’t just happen in isolation there is so much that could have been done at every step to have stopped this horrific crime.

I agree. I feel a sense of anger reading as well. To be honest mostly at his parents because if he was clinically insane they certainly are not! Also how easily someone underage can order all of these dangerous items so easily online!

pointythings · 06/11/2025 17:06

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 16:48

I agree. I feel a sense of anger reading as well. To be honest mostly at his parents because if he was clinically insane they certainly are not! Also how easily someone underage can order all of these dangerous items so easily online!

I agree with both of you. AR's parents failed him. However understandable that failure may be, they should have done better. He had clearly been very unwell for a very long time.

PeonyPatch · 06/11/2025 17:09

pointythings · 06/11/2025 17:06

I agree with both of you. AR's parents failed him. However understandable that failure may be, they should have done better. He had clearly been very unwell for a very long time.

I agree. I feel some sympathy because I think love can blind us, however… they made excuses and over protected him and look what happened.

Not going out for two years and the only other occasion with a knife and to his old school, the next occasion he went on to kill. So many warning signs that were not appropriately responded to. The parents should have shared this information with SS, CAMHs and the police or at least one of these services.

Portakalkedi · 06/11/2025 17:29

I agree that this should be done for most such batshit murderers. Deny them the 'fame' they want by having their name and photo constantly in the public eye.

EasternStandard · 06/11/2025 21:56

kerstina · 06/11/2025 16:18

I do feel angry though. That he could have all those weapons delivered to his house and nobody stopped him. Those poor girls were failed. More and more these cases don’t just happen in isolation there is so much that could have been done at every step to have stopped this horrific crime.

I agree with you. I think overall society has failed those little girls. We should do better than get to that point where something so horrendous happened to them.

FullOfMomsense · 06/11/2025 22:07

I think this is a very sensitive and thoughtful thing to do for the families and I'm pleasantly surprised it's been agreed. The only names we need to hear are that of the poor victims, who will be remembered forever. The perpetrator will be erased from earth and history in time.

Supersimkin7 · 07/11/2025 00:33
  1. He was a walking time bomb
  2. Prevent, CS, schools x2 tried but did nothing

He’s not the only one. When intervention happens, as opposed to the standard public service fail, it still doesn’t necessarily make a difference.

Jonty B, the Tate pusher, was taken away by CS because he tried to kill his mother and sisters. He told a CS carer his plan to kill/maim, did so.

There aren’t laws to prevent murder in advance, especially to restrain young murderers.

There aren’t laws that pop public services up in court for avoidable death.

If there had been, who knows who’d be alive now.

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