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Why don’t British hearing impaired people get taught ASL?

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ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 07/07/2025 10:25

I know ASL is a completely different language, but it seems more prevalent across the world. So why don’t we (the UK) abandon the teaching of BSL in favour of ASL, then communication with other countries too would be possible? I just read that ASL is understood in the US, Canada, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Mexico, West Africa and parts of Southeast Asia.

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ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 07/07/2025 12:13

DeafLeppard · 07/07/2025 11:00

Fair enough if you're just interested in learning more. Deaf with a capital D is generally referring to Deaf culture and identity (which is it's own distinct thing). I don't consider myself Deaf, but hearing impaired - I have some hearing and don't really consider myself to be part of the Deaf community.

I’m going to do some more googling with the new things I’ve learned so far and come back later with more questions. I’m definitely interested in learning more.

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ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 07/07/2025 12:19

FfaCoff · 07/07/2025 11:04

Assumptions: that people only learn one form of sign language. That ASL is 'more prevalent' implying more widely understood. That 'abandoning' a whole communication system would be possible or desirable.

The dismissive attitude to BSL is pretty offensive , as others have pointed out it's linked to a whole culture.

But I have not ‘presented’ my assumptions, I’ve said ‘I know this, I think that, so why…’.

I think that is the way to start learning something new that you maybe had a vague shadowy understanding of, but not enough knowledge to start asking the correct questions straightaway. If I did, I would just google.

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ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 07/07/2025 12:22

@LeroyJenkinssss you've essentially said that people should abandon their language to learn another, with the implied presumption that it’s not a ‘real’ language like French or German.

I’m asking ‘why…..’. It’s the first word I used. What I’m looking for is ‘because…..’.

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Mumofteenandtween · 07/07/2025 12:30

sashh · 07/07/2025 10:39

Because BSL is an language indigenous to the UK. It is virtually the same as Auslan and NZ Sign Language. Ugandan Sign Language is also very similar.

ASL isn't more understood or known by more people. All countries have their own Sign language(s), eg Canada has three.

Then there is the highly useful INTERNATIONAL SIGN LANGUAGE that is used at international conferences or where two people have different sign languages.

How to tell me you know nothing about Sign Languages without saying you know nothing.

So if every country in the world taught all its children (Hearing and Deaf) International Sign Language then we would all be able to communicate with each other?

Why do we not all do that?

That seems like such a big win.

Loveduppenguin · 07/07/2025 12:47

My grandparents were deaf and grew up in Scotland…they learned BSL, they moved to Ireland and joined a deaf club where they learned Irish sign language (ISL).

Pinty · 07/07/2025 13:09

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 07/07/2025 10:42

Do people learn more than one sign language then? I have genuinely not heard of this.

Hearing people learn more than one language so why wouldn't drag people?
OP I think you are struggling to realising that BSL is a language and part of someone's identity just like French or German is part of someone's identity.

CointreauVersial · 07/07/2025 13:15

This thread is really informative. I'm ashamed to say I didn't even realise there were different "languages" of sign language. I mean....it makes sense, I just hadn't thought about it.

Pinty · 07/07/2025 13:16

Pinty · 07/07/2025 13:09

Hearing people learn more than one language so why wouldn't drag people?
OP I think you are struggling to realising that BSL is a language and part of someone's identity just like French or German is part of someone's identity.

Sorry why wouldn't deaf people . Not drag people!
I have just spotted the typo and can't edit it

ItsFineReally · 07/07/2025 13:56

Mumofteenandtween · 07/07/2025 12:30

So if every country in the world taught all its children (Hearing and Deaf) International Sign Language then we would all be able to communicate with each other?

Why do we not all do that?

That seems like such a big win.

It's not a 'full' language of its own. IS is essentially an agreed simplified form of communication used for specific purposes.

If I plonk you in the middle of Estonia, you might be able to get by ordering a cup of tea and paying, and getting a taxi from the hotel to the main church square etc without speaking the language - and without anyone else speaking English. You'd use gestures and words that overlap with your own language. But you wouldn't be able to have an in depth discussion about the impact of climate change on future immigration.

Esperanto hasn't caught on for spoken language, and IS (or a version of) won't be a solution for global communication for the Deaf community for similar reasons.

SupposesRoses · 07/07/2025 14:30

Your communication style by starting with assumptions and devaluing things you don't really understand is very off-putting. If you write like that at work or socially it could really hold you back.
You could have just asked questions, without assumptions.

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 07/07/2025 18:07

SupposesRoses · 07/07/2025 14:30

Your communication style by starting with assumptions and devaluing things you don't really understand is very off-putting. If you write like that at work or socially it could really hold you back.
You could have just asked questions, without assumptions.

Ok, thanks.

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sashh · 07/07/2025 21:04

FfaCoff · 07/07/2025 11:19

This is exactly what it reminded me of - as a Welsh person I see this attitude a lot and it felt exactly the same.

Sorry for the delay in answering.

There are a few parallels from, 'more people understand English' to ignoring the history and the culture that goes with it, banning it in schools.

That is fascinating. Apparently (thanks google, before anyone jumps down my throat) Auslan is used only in Australia, so someone in Nepal had to learn it? Or is it similar enough they managed?

Of course Auslan isn't just used in Australia. If you go to Spain on holiday do you stop speaking English at the airport and start speaking Spanish (or Catalan)?

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