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Reform puts teenagers in charge of vital public services

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Sheldonsheher · 06/07/2025 18:28

I know teenagers think they know everything but really a teenage boy in charge of family and child services. Can the country get any more dysfunctional?

Reform puts teenagers in charge of vital public services
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MoominUnderWater · 06/07/2025 20:59

MoominUnderWater · 06/07/2025 20:58

I’d think the same if a 19yo female was in charge. I’d like councillors to have had some decent managerial/leadership experience before being councillors. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

And yes I feel the same about MPs!

Womblingmerrily · 06/07/2025 21:17

Age is no guarantee of wisdom, nor youth of folly.

Young people can do amazing things if only we would let them.

Louise Braille invented braille at 15.

Mary, Queen of scots ruled two kingdoms at 18.

Laura Dekker sailed round the world solo at 14.

Malala Yousafzai won a nobel peace prize at 17.

JackJarvisEsq · 06/07/2025 21:45

CommissarySushi · 06/07/2025 18:45

I wish people would stop repeating this nonsense. It's factually incorrect and infantalising to young adults.

Tell the SNP this please https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-67076504.amp

BeLilacWriter · 07/07/2025 07:55

MoominUnderWater · 06/07/2025 20:58

I’d think the same if a 19yo female was in charge. I’d like councillors to have had some decent managerial/leadership experience before being councillors. I don’t think that’s unreasonable.

Does it really matter how old a person is? let's face it, there are so many adults (and I use the term loosely) who are in these positions totally out of their dept, failing at every turn and wasting taxpayers money by the bucketload. Give the man a chance!

Lockdownsceptic · 19/07/2025 23:29

Sheldonsheher · 06/07/2025 18:31

Yes but your brain isn’t fully developed until your 20s.

What a good argument against lowering the voting age to sixteen. (See relevant thread).
We really do need to decide what we think of our youngsters. Are they children who need our protection? or are they citizens with the same right to a say as everyone else?
I don’t think we can have it both ways.

Lockdownsceptic · 19/07/2025 23:34

CommissarySushi · 06/07/2025 18:45

I wish people would stop repeating this nonsense. It's factually incorrect and infantalising to young adults.

Nonsense is it? I think if you look you could find lots of studies which say exactly this. It takes the adult brain an awful long time to develop properly. No one is saying teenagers have an infant brain. They are saying they do not yet have an adult brain.

KnickerlessParsons · 19/07/2025 23:41

Well 16 year olds can vote now so I guess that means they’re old enough to run council services too 🤷🏼‍♀️

SquishedMallow · 19/07/2025 23:42

Sheldonsheher · 06/07/2025 18:31

Yes but your brain isn’t fully developed until your 20s.

Bullshit. It's a lie we've been sold. People in their 20s in decades gone by were getting married, having children, buying homes, fighting wars,my mother even knew a man that was a grandad at 29 (horrifying as it is)!!!!!! We've just used that as an excuse as to why we infantilise 20 something year olds. Our kids generation have it worse - if you stand back far enough , you'll see it:

Told at school that everything is solved by "kind hands" and "using a system and protocol to escalate your worries" pastoral support, counselling for life's natural events (e.g death of granny) special treatment for every single over diagnosed condition "anxiety" (otherwise known as exam stress ) .... Get told off for not wearing uniform properly, mum and dad wade in, proclaiming Lola is simply expressing herself and will be encouraged to continue to do so.

Then they enter the real world...........

I think I've made my point. Kids and young people need more responsibility, not less. They need people treating them like capable young adults, so I for one thing reforms idea is excellent 👌

SquishedMallow · 19/07/2025 23:51

Sheldonsheher · 06/07/2025 18:50

I would consider it scientifically proven

So what do you suggest ? 20 somethings not leaving home until 30s ? Not getting married ? Not starting a family ? Not applying for jobs or gaining qualifications? They live in the real world ! Wake up !

It's another one of those "fun facts" like you don't stop growing until your 21. And ? Does that actually hold any significance in real terms ? It doesn't mean that actually lack capacity you know!? Just means a few more years on the clock and they may be calmer and wiser.

Should we lock them all away and prevent them making decisions until their 30th birthday?

Good grief. Our poor predecessors who were sending their 17yr old sons to war, would turn in their graves at this utter nonsense.

SquishedMallow · 19/07/2025 23:57

Ps half the people that have responded negatively are only doing so because it's 'Reform'. If it was labour or conservative, the narrative would be very different.

abracadabra1980 · 20/07/2025 00:12

OverlyFragrant · 06/07/2025 18:29

Having the middle aged in charge of things has worked out so well hasn't it

🤣

Genevieva · 20/07/2025 00:25

MoominUnderWater · 06/07/2025 19:29

Sorry, I know nothing about local government but if this is true what’s the point of having councillors? If they don’t make decisions or manage budgets? What do they actually do, what does a portfolio holder do? Because if it’s nothing maybe we have a DOGE style purge of councillors and get rid of them?

Councillors set the direction by voting. Council staff with relevant expertise advise and implement.

itsnotalwaysthateasy · 20/07/2025 00:51

This will be a case of 'we listened to what they said'. Do what we planned and add the parts in that they said that meet with what we were going to put anyway!

BlackberryBlossom74 · 20/07/2025 00:53

MiloMinderbinder925 · 06/07/2025 18:50

When is the brain fully developed?

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catbathat · 20/07/2025 01:50

Kdubs1981 · 06/07/2025 20:06

This is my field. I’m afraid there is a great deal of evidence that the development of the frontal lobes and frontally mediated brain function is not fully developed until your early 20s, especially in males. There is emerging evidence it could be even later. So you are incorrect.

At which time though your creativity starts to decline. So probably no 'best age'. Swings and roundabouts!

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 20/07/2025 09:42

hatgirl · 06/07/2025 18:39

This happened several weeks ago and was widely discussed on here at the time.

Anyone who understands local government knows they haven't been put in charge of anything really. They are the portfolio holder not decision makers - the people managing the budgets and making the decisions will still be the directors and assistant directors of adult social care/ childrens services who are employed on significant salaries after competitive interview processes

Obviously I don't disagree that it's slightly ridiculous, but they aren't 'running' childrens services.

Correct. And quite click bait headline for the guardian

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