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Do we underestimate what's coming?

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Dappy777 · 03/06/2025 16:33

I have become quite interested in AI lately and have been watching loads of Youtube lectures. Some of it is really mind-blowing. What struck me most was a talk given by Stephen Fry in which he said humans are like children playing on a beach and squabbling over the sand and pebbles. Meanwhile, just over the horizon, waves are gathering to form one giant tsunami that is going to knock us flying. His point was that it isn't just AI. Numerous waves of technology – nanotechnology, gene editing, virtual reality, genetic engineering, quantum computing, etc – are uniting. Any one of them on its own could transform the world. But they are going to combine, and in some cases speed each other along (AI could speed up nanotech, for example).

One AI expert thinks we could see all illness and disease brought under medical control within ten years. Even Jeffrey Hinton, who won the nobel prize, thinks AI will wipe out all illness and disease within 20 years. Human ageing may be halted and even reversed!! Another expert thinks that, thanks to regenerative medicine, by the late 2030s 50-somethings will look like 20-somethings. Stephen Fry himself thinks the first person to live beyond 200 has already been born.

Yet we carry on as if the future will be more or less like the present. Is it sensible for a 25-year-old to marry and have a child when we're on the brink of regenerative medicine that could extend her life for centuries (assuming climate change and nuclear weapons and bio-terrorists and hackers and so on don't wreck everything)? My friend's daughter is due to start secondary school in September. They are already wondering what GCSEs she'll enjoy, what A-Levels she might take and what career she'll choose. They are carrying on as if her life will be just like theirs was. But if she goes to university, that will be 2032. By the time she completes her degree it will be 2035. By 2035 AI, nanotechnology, gene editing, VR, quantum computing and god knows what else (not to mention climate change) will have made the world a very different place. There might not be any jobs. Should we be educating children in a completely different way? Do they need to study traditional subjects at all!?? Should we overhaul education and focus on things like empathy, relationships, life skills, meaning and purpose?

The problem, I think, is that ordinary divs like me have zero understanding. For all I know these experts could be exaggerating. Because I'm so bad at science, they could tell me the moon is made of cheese and I'd believe them. The one thing they all agree on, however, is that the pace of change is accelerating. One of them said we'll live through 100 years of scientific progress in the next ten years. Shouldn't we be constantly talking about all this?

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Barbadossunset · 05/06/2025 18:42

Language models today are essentially the same as they were in 2019, they’ve progressed because thousands of clever people and many billions of dollars have been dedicated to them and still there’s been no major technical or conceptual breakthrough in that time.

Does that mean that they aren’t yet very good at translating foreign languages? Sometimes on Instagram I use the translation function and much of the time it’s complete gobbledygook.

Uol2022 · 05/06/2025 19:03

Barbadossunset · 05/06/2025 18:42

Language models today are essentially the same as they were in 2019, they’ve progressed because thousands of clever people and many billions of dollars have been dedicated to them and still there’s been no major technical or conceptual breakthrough in that time.

Does that mean that they aren’t yet very good at translating foreign languages? Sometimes on Instagram I use the translation function and much of the time it’s complete gobbledygook.

I just meant that the underlying algorithms and design haven’t changed much.

Translation is hard and models especially struggle with languages that don’t have a lot of written resources to train from. The biggest models are fairly solid at translating short to medium length text between high resource languages. They still struggle with some parts (eg grammar features available in one language but not the other; colloquialisms) and they often lack the context that accompanies most human communication. Smaller models
are crap at it. Translating speech adds the need to interpret the audio, which is a whole other world of pain.

User14March · 05/06/2025 19:04

user7843209785 · 05/06/2025 18:25

Is no one else horrified at the thought of living to 200! Not for me thanks.

TedTalk posted upthread [thank you] speaks of AI giving us time for each year lived & longevity escape velocity (reading up on this to fully understand) Talk giver - Ray Kurzweil - is hoping for an enhanced old age & if by 2030s our brains can upload to cloud who knows what other benefits? A much better ‘old age’ is hopefully on cards soon.

Barbadossunset · 05/06/2025 19:08

@Uol2022 thank you for your very interesting answer.
Yes, slang and colloquialisms must be hard for AI, and also they change over the years.
Also, Korean for example doesn’t use personal and possessive pronouns as much as English and relies on context so that could be hard to translate.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 19:36

Every few years since I was diagnosed in 1999, there's been someone claiming type 1 diabetes will be cured in 10 years. I'm sure it was the same before 1999. Hasn't happened.

I first saw an article about how mammoths would be cloned within a few years in the early 2000s. New claims several times since. Hasn't happened.

Rinse and repeat for a billion other things.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 19:39

LogicalBlodge · 05/06/2025 14:32

This is the early adoption stage so while we don't see it much the early adopters are building building building. So in 15 years we will start to see change. In all sorts of places.

I think there will be huge retirement villages for all these people who are living until 200.

I work around this and there's money going into data - using data to find breakthroughs in science.

Current scientific consensus is that the upper limit of the human lifespan is somewhere around 140. What do you imagine is going to change that in 15 years?

User14March · 05/06/2025 19:49

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 19:39

Current scientific consensus is that the upper limit of the human lifespan is somewhere around 140. What do you imagine is going to change that in 15 years?

AI will be simulating biological processes by 2035 and poss well before according to Ray Kurzweil. If we’re augmented with AI we’ll live longer.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 19:55

User14March · 05/06/2025 19:49

AI will be simulating biological processes by 2035 and poss well before according to Ray Kurzweil. If we’re augmented with AI we’ll live longer.

Load of bollocks, to use a scientific phrase.

DuesToTheDirt · 05/06/2025 20:05

Blimeyblighty · 03/06/2025 18:06

I thought this would be about the huge disruption we are facing from climate change.

Well given the resources needed by AI, it could be a factor in climate change...

Barbadossunset · 05/06/2025 20:05

Rinse and repeat for a billion other things.

Yes. The only thing I remember from childhood science fiction that has actually happened is video phone calls.
I’m still waiting for flying cars and holidays on far-flung planets.
I’d love to see some old Tomorrow’s World programmes.

ItsSoFoggy · 05/06/2025 20:10

User14March · 05/06/2025 19:49

AI will be simulating biological processes by 2035 and poss well before according to Ray Kurzweil. If we’re augmented with AI we’ll live longer.

Sounds utterly horrific and even if it was possible it would be a no from me.
On the outside chance it was possible to live to 200, not everybody would want to extend their lives that long so some people would be burying their kids, grandkids, great grandkids, friends etc and outliving all of them. Also the ones queueing up to extend their lives for that amount of time first will be the narcissists of the world! I imagine it would be torture.

Might make a good Dr Who episode though!

User14March · 05/06/2025 20:14

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 19:55

Load of bollocks, to use a scientific phrase.

The evidence supports a health revolution in 2030s with medical nanorobots which can effectively extend the immune system & destroy pathogens & metabolic disease. I am no expert but longer lifespans & more importantly healthspans - who wants to live to 120 as an incapacitated wreck? - def on horizon.

sparrowflewdown · 05/06/2025 20:42

Every few years since I was diagnosed in 1999, there's been someone claiming type 1 diabetes will be cured in 10 years. I'm sure it was the same before 1999. Hasn't happened.

It may seem like progress has been slow, but AI is actually growing exponentially now. With advancements in computing power, data availability, and smarter algorithms, things are moving faster than ever. In 5 years, AI will likely be unrecognisable compared to today. So, while it took a while to get here, the next few years are going to bring massive, rapid changes.

sparrowflewdown · 05/06/2025 20:44

User14March · 05/06/2025 18:10

Interesting. Tangentially, I’ve often wondered if the ‘space battle’ event witnessed in Germany with ‘black arrow’ & failing ‘spheres’ was AI versus life elsewhere: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg

It really doesn’t fit brief for natural or ‘Sun Dog’ event & the carvings of time bear witness.

Fascinating! Thanks.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 20:46

User14March · 05/06/2025 20:14

The evidence supports a health revolution in 2030s with medical nanorobots which can effectively extend the immune system & destroy pathogens & metabolic disease. I am no expert but longer lifespans & more importantly healthspans - who wants to live to 120 as an incapacitated wreck? - def on horizon.

"I'm no expert but def"

User14March · 05/06/2025 20:50

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 20:46

"I'm no expert but def"

I think most would agree we’re looking at advances in medicine & health & lifespan due to AI, expert or otherwise.

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 20:52

User14March · 05/06/2025 20:50

I think most would agree we’re looking at advances in medicine & health & lifespan due to AI, expert or otherwise.

Even if that's true, these things are not decided by consensus or what Stephen Fry said last week.

User14March · 05/06/2025 21:03

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 20:52

Even if that's true, these things are not decided by consensus or what Stephen Fry said last week.

Of course. Ray Kurzweil, Terry Grossman and similar others are very well informed, have credentials that speak for themselves & are worth a read.

sparrowflewdown · 05/06/2025 21:04

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 20:52

Even if that's true, these things are not decided by consensus or what Stephen Fry said last week.

Stephen Fry is a red herring ...but all this and more is going to happen very soon.

Bubbletrain · 05/06/2025 21:22

LumpyMashedPotato · 03/06/2025 18:24

Not sure about reversed aging but in a few years they will be able to do things like accurately Diagnose CMPA allergy in babies wothin minutes.
AI will assess the way a babies body moves when they cry in pain.

(My baby was part of the initial trials 😬)

That would have saved me a whole lot of stress and heartache with 3 back to back CMPA babies 😮‍💨

ArtTheClownIsNotAMime · 05/06/2025 21:23

If only AI could teach critical thinking.

cheesycheesy · 05/06/2025 22:54

lol at extending lifespans to 200. Not for the average pleb. Only if they can increase retirement age to 180.

MoominUnderWater · 05/06/2025 23:04

cheesycheesy · 05/06/2025 22:54

lol at extending lifespans to 200. Not for the average pleb. Only if they can increase retirement age to 180.

Totally. Will only be for the super rich if the technology exists. Nobody will be extending the life of your average burden on society pleb.

Namechangeagain8464 · 06/06/2025 09:04

Another analogy is us being ants to AI's humans, ie we can't even comprehend the concept of how it will think/act.

Haven't RTFT so don't know if anyone has mentioned it and it's about 10 years old, but Wait but Why has an incredibly in-depth and quite scary blog post on what might happen when AI reaches super-intelligence.

waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html

sparrowflewdown · 06/06/2025 10:21

Yes I have read that article. Like ants unaware of the human world, we may one day live in a world shaped by advanced AI, oblivious to the complexity and sophistication of the systems around us. We’ll go about our lives, unaware of the tech that’s driving everything forward.

What is interesting is the article about 1561 phenomenon posted by User14March could be a brilliant example of that very analogy.