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Do we underestimate what's coming?

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Dappy777 · 03/06/2025 16:33

I have become quite interested in AI lately and have been watching loads of Youtube lectures. Some of it is really mind-blowing. What struck me most was a talk given by Stephen Fry in which he said humans are like children playing on a beach and squabbling over the sand and pebbles. Meanwhile, just over the horizon, waves are gathering to form one giant tsunami that is going to knock us flying. His point was that it isn't just AI. Numerous waves of technology – nanotechnology, gene editing, virtual reality, genetic engineering, quantum computing, etc – are uniting. Any one of them on its own could transform the world. But they are going to combine, and in some cases speed each other along (AI could speed up nanotech, for example).

One AI expert thinks we could see all illness and disease brought under medical control within ten years. Even Jeffrey Hinton, who won the nobel prize, thinks AI will wipe out all illness and disease within 20 years. Human ageing may be halted and even reversed!! Another expert thinks that, thanks to regenerative medicine, by the late 2030s 50-somethings will look like 20-somethings. Stephen Fry himself thinks the first person to live beyond 200 has already been born.

Yet we carry on as if the future will be more or less like the present. Is it sensible for a 25-year-old to marry and have a child when we're on the brink of regenerative medicine that could extend her life for centuries (assuming climate change and nuclear weapons and bio-terrorists and hackers and so on don't wreck everything)? My friend's daughter is due to start secondary school in September. They are already wondering what GCSEs she'll enjoy, what A-Levels she might take and what career she'll choose. They are carrying on as if her life will be just like theirs was. But if she goes to university, that will be 2032. By the time she completes her degree it will be 2035. By 2035 AI, nanotechnology, gene editing, VR, quantum computing and god knows what else (not to mention climate change) will have made the world a very different place. There might not be any jobs. Should we be educating children in a completely different way? Do they need to study traditional subjects at all!?? Should we overhaul education and focus on things like empathy, relationships, life skills, meaning and purpose?

The problem, I think, is that ordinary divs like me have zero understanding. For all I know these experts could be exaggerating. Because I'm so bad at science, they could tell me the moon is made of cheese and I'd believe them. The one thing they all agree on, however, is that the pace of change is accelerating. One of them said we'll live through 100 years of scientific progress in the next ten years. Shouldn't we be constantly talking about all this?

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Barbadossunset · 04/06/2025 09:36

I bet something will happen that no one saw coming.

BooneyBeautiful · 04/06/2025 09:57

Tallyrand · 04/06/2025 08:05

UBI is a good economic theory but ultimately you are giving people money for doing nothing. That money can be exchanged for goods and services but both of those will ultimately increase in price as there would be more demand.

If everyone was a billionaire, there would be nobody stacking shelves or collecting rubbish.

Yes, but UBI would only be the bare minimum to live on. If you wanted anything extra like a car or a nice holiday, or were saving up to buy a house etc, you would need to work. Everything you earned would be taxed, as your personal allowance would be used up on your UBI.

It would also give more flexibility to people who had caring responsibilities, or those who wanted to start up their own little business.

I think a lot of people would still want to work in order to buy 'luxuries' or to have a better standard of living. I believe Universal Credit is the forerunner of UBI. The system is in place now, so it would just need to be expanded. We shall just have to wait and see what happens!

smallglassbottle · 04/06/2025 12:54

There is no way the rich will ever agree to giving people money for nothing. They'd rather see us starve than that. Money is their god and ordinary people should suffer through working if they want it, is their belief. They believe they've worked hard for it and only they deserve it. They'd rather see us dead or in workhouses than issue a ubi.

The rich are cruel and greedy.

EasternStandard · 04/06/2025 13:00

BooneyBeautiful · 04/06/2025 09:57

Yes, but UBI would only be the bare minimum to live on. If you wanted anything extra like a car or a nice holiday, or were saving up to buy a house etc, you would need to work. Everything you earned would be taxed, as your personal allowance would be used up on your UBI.

It would also give more flexibility to people who had caring responsibilities, or those who wanted to start up their own little business.

I think a lot of people would still want to work in order to buy 'luxuries' or to have a better standard of living. I believe Universal Credit is the forerunner of UBI. The system is in place now, so it would just need to be expanded. We shall just have to wait and see what happens!

I wonder what proportion would choose to work and be taxed as they do if we had this.

Barbadossunset · 04/06/2025 13:24

The rich are cruel and greedy

Every single one?

menopausalfart · 04/06/2025 13:30

I think the future is exciting. As long as we don't blow ourselves up in the meantime.
In December 2024, Google unveiled Project Willow, a quantum computer capable of solving problems in minutes that would take the fastest supercomputers longer than the age of the universe. In fifty years, the planet will be unrecognisable. I only wish I could be around to see it.

smallglassbottle · 04/06/2025 13:33

Barbadossunset · 04/06/2025 13:24

The rich are cruel and greedy

Every single one?

Probably. You don't become rich through being nice, and the ones who've inherited are spoiled and selfish. They live in a different world.

sparrowflewdown · 04/06/2025 13:55

There will definitely be a UBI in the near future. Swathes of people will have no money. In the interim people should try to have savings and try to get rid of debt to help with the transition. It is going to be a bumpy ride.

sparrowflewdown · 04/06/2025 13:57

Even from this thread it seems people are unaware of how big this really is. Touch grass, see friends and enjoy the ride. Grin

ConstitutionHill · 04/06/2025 14:50

peanutbuttertoasty · 03/06/2025 20:26

Most likely they will use humans as a mere fuel source to power the grid. We’ll be otherwise surplus to requirements. 🔥

We will all be in the MATRIX Confused

InsomniacSloth · 04/06/2025 15:15

AFrankExchangeofViews · 03/06/2025 18:29

Its called The Singularity, and we are very possibly on the brink of it. Maybe in our children's lifetimes.

Ray Kurzweil and others have been writing about this since at least the 1990s. The Singularity is Near, etc. People didn’t really seem to understand the implications back then but more people are realising now, it seems.

BooneyBeautiful · 04/06/2025 15:16

EasternStandard · 04/06/2025 13:00

I wonder what proportion would choose to work and be taxed as they do if we had this.

People these days are often materialistic, so I guess those who are fit and able, and without caring responsibilities, would want to work, particularly if they wanted to own their own home. It would just mean that all their Personal Allowance would be used up on their UBI.

IPreacts · 04/06/2025 15:35

I'm not an expert in this but as far as I am aware AI is currently good at synthesising large amounts of existing data and analysing existing data.

AI can't learn experientially ( this is how humans start their learning about the world), does not have fluid reasoning, and does not have original thoughts or ideas, or take thinking in a new direction. If AI develops to do that we really will be in a new world.

We currently still need humans for all this to drive innovation, and to decide what type of society we will live in.

Humans living to 200 is a terrible idea.

Barbadossunset · 04/06/2025 15:45

Probably. You don't become rich through being nice, and the ones who've inherited are spoiled and selfish. They live in a different world.

Have you based this on people you’ve actually met or those who you’ve read about?
What income or net worth does someone have to have for you to consider them rich?

Dappy777 · 04/06/2025 15:46

My gut feeling is that many people will be kept on in their jobs even though they're no longer needed. There was a book published a while back called Bullshit Jobs, in which the author listed the jobs that really contribute nothing. He said it's surprising how many people are employed in jobs that could easily be scrapped. Presumably AI will boost productivity and profits, enabling firms to keep people on even when there's very little to do. I suspect that's what will happen – in the short term anyway.

I agree that many predictions never come true. You only have to look at science fiction magazines, or TV shows, from the 1960s. They thought we'd all be zooming around in space, living on the Moon, and so on. I was a child in the 1980s. When I look back, the only technology that has truly changed my life has been the internet. But even that hasn't affected everyone. My 88-year-old uncle, for example, doesn't own a computer and is barely aware the internet exists. So far as he's concerned, life is no different today to what it was in 1950. The only difference he's noticed is that there are far more people and everywhere is overcrowded. Other than that he still walks to the shop and pays for food with coins and notes like he did as a child.

The thing that most interests me is biotech – gene editing, medical nanobots, AI developed drugs, regenerative medicine, etc. It's hard to believe they'll all fizzle out and lead nowhere. I'm also curious to see virtual reality develop. Could we really invent some Matrix-like VR world in which you can smell and touch things?

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myplace · 04/06/2025 15:50

AI can predict hospitalisation for heart failure two weeks before it happens. That’s handy.

GingerPaste · 04/06/2025 15:51

Dappy777 · 04/06/2025 15:46

My gut feeling is that many people will be kept on in their jobs even though they're no longer needed. There was a book published a while back called Bullshit Jobs, in which the author listed the jobs that really contribute nothing. He said it's surprising how many people are employed in jobs that could easily be scrapped. Presumably AI will boost productivity and profits, enabling firms to keep people on even when there's very little to do. I suspect that's what will happen – in the short term anyway.

I agree that many predictions never come true. You only have to look at science fiction magazines, or TV shows, from the 1960s. They thought we'd all be zooming around in space, living on the Moon, and so on. I was a child in the 1980s. When I look back, the only technology that has truly changed my life has been the internet. But even that hasn't affected everyone. My 88-year-old uncle, for example, doesn't own a computer and is barely aware the internet exists. So far as he's concerned, life is no different today to what it was in 1950. The only difference he's noticed is that there are far more people and everywhere is overcrowded. Other than that he still walks to the shop and pays for food with coins and notes like he did as a child.

The thing that most interests me is biotech – gene editing, medical nanobots, AI developed drugs, regenerative medicine, etc. It's hard to believe they'll all fizzle out and lead nowhere. I'm also curious to see virtual reality develop. Could we really invent some Matrix-like VR world in which you can smell and touch things?

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Why would people be kept on in their jobs even if no longer needed?

User14March · 04/06/2025 15:51

Barbadossunset · 04/06/2025 15:45

Probably. You don't become rich through being nice, and the ones who've inherited are spoiled and selfish. They live in a different world.

Have you based this on people you’ve actually met or those who you’ve read about?
What income or net worth does someone have to have for you to consider them rich?

I think the Singularity changes everything though, unprecedented, unparalleled & it’s almost inevitable.

User14March · 04/06/2025 15:51

Comment above for @Dappy777

DancefloorAcrobatics · 04/06/2025 16:01

The thing that most interests me is biotech – gene editing, medical nanobots, AI developed drugs, regenerative medicine, etc

Don't forget about quantum dots. I think they are the real future for medicine & AI.
There's a lot more development of this technology waiting to happen.

I think humans have always been innovative and this will continue until the end of our time.
We had huge changes in the past: invention of the wheel, farming, cars, electricity, inoculation, penicillin ... they all changed the way we live and think. What's coming in terms of technology isn't any different.

User14March · 04/06/2025 16:09

DancefloorAcrobatics · 04/06/2025 16:01

The thing that most interests me is biotech – gene editing, medical nanobots, AI developed drugs, regenerative medicine, etc

Don't forget about quantum dots. I think they are the real future for medicine & AI.
There's a lot more development of this technology waiting to happen.

I think humans have always been innovative and this will continue until the end of our time.
We had huge changes in the past: invention of the wheel, farming, cars, electricity, inoculation, penicillin ... they all changed the way we live and think. What's coming in terms of technology isn't any different.

I think what’s coming is incomparable. The speed of the changes alone.

Fluffyc1ouds · 04/06/2025 16:11

I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I'm concerned after reading up on the environmental impacts of AI and other tech and how that will impact the planet. Or perhaps technology will solve this?

I've also been considering my child's future as he's been talking lots about careers recently. He's still very young but I'm already considering which careers will become obsolete due to AI and advances in technology, and which routes we should guide him down instead. The world will already be a very different place when becomes an adult.

And I keep hearing about how, in the shorter term, AI could mean that the 4-day working week becomes more standard. I'd love this but I'm not so sure. Our new AI solutions at work are all about getting people to take on and manage more work than before to grow the business. It's not so much about enabling everyone to have a day off which is a shame.

IPreacts · 04/06/2025 16:16

Fluffyc1ouds · 04/06/2025 16:11

I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I'm concerned after reading up on the environmental impacts of AI and other tech and how that will impact the planet. Or perhaps technology will solve this?

I've also been considering my child's future as he's been talking lots about careers recently. He's still very young but I'm already considering which careers will become obsolete due to AI and advances in technology, and which routes we should guide him down instead. The world will already be a very different place when becomes an adult.

And I keep hearing about how, in the shorter term, AI could mean that the 4-day working week becomes more standard. I'd love this but I'm not so sure. Our new AI solutions at work are all about getting people to take on and manage more work than before to grow the business. It's not so much about enabling everyone to have a day off which is a shame.

There is nothing to stop businesses going to four day weeks right now. Its a societal choice that we work five day weeks. Its nothing to do with technology.

Personally I think that we should all work three day weeks. I think an awful lot of societal issues, environmental issues, relational issues, child development and wellbeing issues and physical and mental health issues would be massively reduced if we worked three days a week.

Amelie2025 · 04/06/2025 16:16

IPreacts · 04/06/2025 15:35

I'm not an expert in this but as far as I am aware AI is currently good at synthesising large amounts of existing data and analysing existing data.

AI can't learn experientially ( this is how humans start their learning about the world), does not have fluid reasoning, and does not have original thoughts or ideas, or take thinking in a new direction. If AI develops to do that we really will be in a new world.

We currently still need humans for all this to drive innovation, and to decide what type of society we will live in.

Humans living to 200 is a terrible idea.

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I'm 56, the thought of another 150 years on this planet is terrifying! No thanks!!

@Dappy777 it all just makes my head hurt. We can't even begin to imagine what will change, let alone have any influence over it.The way I'm coping is just not thinking about it. I'll take it one nightmare thing at a time & adapt as much as I'm able at the time.

if they can remove my health issues, fabulous. but that's not going to change how I live until that's possible.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 04/06/2025 16:21

I'm resigned to the fact there's probably not going to be a zombie apocalypse in my lifetime, so a Terrminator-style Humans v's AI war would partly make up for that. Just hurry it along a bit so I'm still young enough to fight.

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