Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Do we underestimate what's coming?

230 replies

Dappy777 · 03/06/2025 16:33

I have become quite interested in AI lately and have been watching loads of Youtube lectures. Some of it is really mind-blowing. What struck me most was a talk given by Stephen Fry in which he said humans are like children playing on a beach and squabbling over the sand and pebbles. Meanwhile, just over the horizon, waves are gathering to form one giant tsunami that is going to knock us flying. His point was that it isn't just AI. Numerous waves of technology – nanotechnology, gene editing, virtual reality, genetic engineering, quantum computing, etc – are uniting. Any one of them on its own could transform the world. But they are going to combine, and in some cases speed each other along (AI could speed up nanotech, for example).

One AI expert thinks we could see all illness and disease brought under medical control within ten years. Even Jeffrey Hinton, who won the nobel prize, thinks AI will wipe out all illness and disease within 20 years. Human ageing may be halted and even reversed!! Another expert thinks that, thanks to regenerative medicine, by the late 2030s 50-somethings will look like 20-somethings. Stephen Fry himself thinks the first person to live beyond 200 has already been born.

Yet we carry on as if the future will be more or less like the present. Is it sensible for a 25-year-old to marry and have a child when we're on the brink of regenerative medicine that could extend her life for centuries (assuming climate change and nuclear weapons and bio-terrorists and hackers and so on don't wreck everything)? My friend's daughter is due to start secondary school in September. They are already wondering what GCSEs she'll enjoy, what A-Levels she might take and what career she'll choose. They are carrying on as if her life will be just like theirs was. But if she goes to university, that will be 2032. By the time she completes her degree it will be 2035. By 2035 AI, nanotechnology, gene editing, VR, quantum computing and god knows what else (not to mention climate change) will have made the world a very different place. There might not be any jobs. Should we be educating children in a completely different way? Do they need to study traditional subjects at all!?? Should we overhaul education and focus on things like empathy, relationships, life skills, meaning and purpose?

The problem, I think, is that ordinary divs like me have zero understanding. For all I know these experts could be exaggerating. Because I'm so bad at science, they could tell me the moon is made of cheese and I'd believe them. The one thing they all agree on, however, is that the pace of change is accelerating. One of them said we'll live through 100 years of scientific progress in the next ten years. Shouldn't we be constantly talking about all this?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
7
KurtShirty · 03/06/2025 20:06

Great post OP

It’s also problematic that there is an Arms race between America and China to develop AI, which means getting either of them to put the brakes on and agree to proper regulation / safe design of it is highly unlikely, as both will simply point at the other and say they can’t afford to slow down as the other party will surge ahead.

nightmare scenarios such as AI controlled drones with weapons or access to bio weapons…it’s not actually that far fetched

we live in interesting times that’s for sure.

Tuggle25 · 03/06/2025 20:17

At what point does it become “self aware” like Skynet??!!?

peanutbuttertoasty · 03/06/2025 20:26

Most likely they will use humans as a mere fuel source to power the grid. We’ll be otherwise surplus to requirements. 🔥

smallglassbottle · 03/06/2025 20:36

We'll be mashed up and used as biofuel. The rich will try to protect themselves by escaping to Mars, but will be stopped by the AI. All life on the planet will be wiped out apart from viruses, bacteria and estate agents, who will have nothing left to sell.

Winter2020 · 03/06/2025 20:43

Dappy777 · 03/06/2025 18:23

This is another major worry. In 1900 there were a billion humans. Then it trebled to three billion in 1960. It's now eight billion and heading for ten billion. The African birth rate is so high the African population is going to double. If no one is ageing and dying, no one will be making room for the next generation.

I don't believe the super-rich will hoard life-extending technologies. It makes economic sense to spread these technologies around. Governments are very worried about the 'silver tsunami' of old people. The elderly cost a fortune to care for. The vast majority of money spent on drugs and hospital care is spent in the final decade of someone's life.

Let's hope people living to 200 don't spend 100 years of that frail and needing care. They will have to save hard if they want to retire at 50 and have 150 years of cruises.

Tallyrand · 03/06/2025 20:49

smallglassbottle · 03/06/2025 20:36

We'll be mashed up and used as biofuel. The rich will try to protect themselves by escaping to Mars, but will be stopped by the AI. All life on the planet will be wiped out apart from viruses, bacteria and estate agents, who will have nothing left to sell.

"We've got a lovely rental available here from JoeRobotAI, although the human population has reduced 95% and we've all been driven underground this property is still in high demand"

Tallyrand · 03/06/2025 20:51

Still contend the greatest ever invention is the humble 's'-bend as it allowed humans internal plumbing after about 100,000 years of shitting into a hole in the ground.

MrsWinslowsSoothingSyrup · 03/06/2025 20:56

Yeah but the same could have been said in 1925.
The amount of change in the last 100 years is amazing and probably would have seemed impossible and terrifying to a young adult in 1925.

We just have to take it as it comes.

For all we know, some different, unforeseen, event will occur and change the course of history yet again.

Live for today (but have half an eye on the future).

Barbadossunset · 03/06/2025 21:00

Dont forget at one point in time we were all told there would be flying cars and houses on plinths in the sky by 2020 and that didn’t happen.

Yes and holidays on Mars.
When the NHS was first started, doctors said in 50 years it wouldn’t be needed as medical research was going at such a pace that soon all illnesses and medical conditions would be easily curable.

sprigatito · 03/06/2025 21:06

MrsWinslowsSoothingSyrup · 03/06/2025 20:56

Yeah but the same could have been said in 1925.
The amount of change in the last 100 years is amazing and probably would have seemed impossible and terrifying to a young adult in 1925.

We just have to take it as it comes.

For all we know, some different, unforeseen, event will occur and change the course of history yet again.

Live for today (but have half an eye on the future).

👏👏👏

lljkk · 03/06/2025 21:08

Clearly the most pressing issue for society today is dog poo? So I asked chatgtp how we could deal with it, AND voilà, it has solved the problem...

😂... none of that list works. At best, some of the ideas have a tiny bit of influence at the margins of the existing problem. That's how flipping useless AI is.

This thread is also full of weird fantasy world ideas.

GingerPaste · 03/06/2025 21:15

I agree with Fry’s analogy of us being like children on a beach building sandcastles while disaster looms.

We’ve already allowed the internet to take control (with overwhelmingly negative effects in so many ways). AI will probably be the same but on a much larger scale. And like the internet, the potential harm it will do will far outweigh the good.

I’m not sure how AI will stop disease. In theory, maybe, but not in practice as you need robust and well-resourced systems to effect changes that are potentially possible. We don’t have that in this country. You hear lots on the radio about advances in medicine and research - but without the money, people, equipment to make it happen… very few people will actually benefit.

Whatever’s coming is scary.

TeenLifeMum · 03/06/2025 21:18

chatgpt Is good at suggesting cocktails with what’s left in the cupboard so worst case I’ll just work my way down the list as the world implodes. I’m not significant or important enough to change the tide so stressing about it seems a waste of time.

Tbrh · 03/06/2025 21:20

I think the gap of intelligence will widen. Dumb people will get dumber and smart people will get smarter. I already see people on here directly quoting AI as fact despite it being very inaccurate or often wrong. It will be dangerous in the wrong hands. Especially politicians

Whippetlovely · 03/06/2025 21:41

Yes I think we do underestimate it. It's scary and fascinating at the same time.

User14March · 04/06/2025 00:11

Will we end up becoming AI ourselves with ‘chips’ etc? Will our grandchildren’s partners effectively be part AI & part human.

The fact we’ve not found evidence of other life in the universe makes me fear this is the ‘great filter’.

StepawayfromtheLindors · 04/06/2025 00:33

I thought this was going to be about Russia or China.

sparrowflewdown · 04/06/2025 00:41

No I don't underestimate what's coming. I have been interested in AGI etc for a few years now. I believe we have to carry on as normal and enjoy the last few years while we can because it is going to get pretty odd and disorientating over the next 5 years.

BooneyBeautiful · 04/06/2025 00:45

WhitegreeNcandle · 03/06/2025 18:18

well even if AI can do all these amazing things it still can’t clean my loo, answer an alarm on my farm or shovel shit when the trailer breaks. There will be jobs, just not the ones people want

I always advise young people these days to get a trade because so many 'office' jobs will be lost to AI. It's moving at an alarming rate. Last year there was a sudden panic about this, and apparently that's because what we thought would take 20 years to develop, actually happened in five!

DownAndOut25 · 04/06/2025 00:46

Between this and climate change, I’m so so glad I don’t have children.

BooneyBeautiful · 04/06/2025 00:51

Tallyrand · 03/06/2025 18:21

I'm fairly certain the same stuff was said during the agricultural and industrial revolutions.

"This will change everything"

Yes it will but I wouldn't go handing in your notice anytime soon. UBI will never happen because the rich don't want it, inflation (demand would soar) would make it pointless anyway.

We've had robots that can lay bricks for years but we still send middle aged blokes up a scaffold with a bucket and trowel.

You might use AI a few times a week but you'll need a farmer 3 times a day for the rest of your life.

I am interested in your opinion of UBI. DS mentioned it a few years ago as he believes it will happen, as does Elon Musk (whatever you may think of him).

Tallyrand · 04/06/2025 08:05

BooneyBeautiful · 04/06/2025 00:51

I am interested in your opinion of UBI. DS mentioned it a few years ago as he believes it will happen, as does Elon Musk (whatever you may think of him).

UBI is a good economic theory but ultimately you are giving people money for doing nothing. That money can be exchanged for goods and services but both of those will ultimately increase in price as there would be more demand.

If everyone was a billionaire, there would be nobody stacking shelves or collecting rubbish.

Swipe left for the next trending thread