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No more Musk, Melania MIA and TACOs for tea: The Idiocracy beds down - Trump thread #144

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Spandauer · 29/05/2025 13:28

Second '100 days' working out much like the first, but with a Vance-proof Pope, a bigly white elephant plane, a few more legal push backs and way more grifting.

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No grey smoke necessary. First 100 days have come and gone. Vance has killed the Pope, Musk is melting away and Trump's tariffs are on a slow boat to...

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Radyward · 10/06/2025 07:57

Sorry illegal aliens need to go.
Lapd defunded
Anything but peaceful protests
Businesses burned
Its disgusting. How could anyone support these protesters.
Gavin newsom isint interested in law and order.
Ice needs to do its job and deport

PerkingFaintly · 10/06/2025 08:08

Trump orders fresh troop deployment to LA as unrest continues
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgr5vgexj1gt
National Guards 'not needed there', says ex-officer
07:27
A former National Guard officer has criticised Trump for deploying the force to Los Angeles.

The National Guards are "not needed" there, retired Lt Gen Russel Honoré tells the BBC's Newsday.

Honoré calls this "an escalation that's being perpetrated by the White House to be able to deploy federal troops anytime, anywhere in America."

"There are 10 million people in LA County and we're talking about two small areas with maybe at best a few thousand protesters in each area.

"We get more, bigger protests or civil activities when the Dodgers win the World Series," he adds.

LA protests live: Trump orders fresh troop deployment as unrest continues

California Governor Gavin Newsom, who is suing the Trump administration, calls the president "dictatorial" and "deranged".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgr5vgexj1gt

Igotjelly · 10/06/2025 08:15

Radyward · 10/06/2025 07:57

Sorry illegal aliens need to go.
Lapd defunded
Anything but peaceful protests
Businesses burned
Its disgusting. How could anyone support these protesters.
Gavin newsom isint interested in law and order.
Ice needs to do its job and deport

“Illegal aliens need to go” = whole families and communities need to be ripped apart.

LAPD need to be defunded….why exactly?

Gavin neesom Donald Trump isint (sic) interested in law and order - there fixed it for you.

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PickAChew · 10/06/2025 08:16

Radyward · 10/06/2025 07:57

Sorry illegal aliens need to go.
Lapd defunded
Anything but peaceful protests
Businesses burned
Its disgusting. How could anyone support these protesters.
Gavin newsom isint interested in law and order.
Ice needs to do its job and deport

Do you think shooting at reporters is disgusting?

PerkingFaintly · 10/06/2025 08:18

Police have now shot two journalists. One needed surgery.

There is film of a police officer calmly raising his weapon, taking aim and firing at one of the journalists who is standing reporting in the middle of the road, a considerable distance from the police. It's broad daylight; people are standing still or walking calmly about; nothing's burning; it's not the middle of some surging assault.

Incident involving journalist 'horrific', Australian PM says
07:14
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgr5vgexj1gt

LA protests live: Trump orders fresh troop deployment as unrest continues

California Governor Gavin Newsom, who is suing the Trump administration, calls the president "dictatorial" and "deranged".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgr5vgexj1gt

Serpentstooth · 10/06/2025 08:30

You'll enjoy flipping those burgers Radyward😆

PerkingFaintly · 10/06/2025 08:30

The person who has ordered both the National Guard and the army into LA is the exact same person, Donald Trump, who delayed allowing the National Guard to defend the US Capitol building, full of senators certifying the election result 2020, until after the violence had mostly subsided.

The asault happened when a huge organised mob, bussed in by Trump's team, had gathered near the Capitol and he himself had addressed them and told them to go to the Capitol and prevent the certification.

The FBI had advance intelligence that violent extremists were planning to attack the building.

So this is the person who is so keen on "law and order".

Timeline of National Guard Deployment to Capitol
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/timeline-of-national-guard-deployment-to-capitol/

Timeline of National Guard Deployment to Capitol - FactCheck.org

On the day of the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, the first National Guard members arrived to assist at about 5:40 p.m. Here, we present a timeline about the efforts to deploy those troops.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/timeline-of-national-guard-deployment-to-capitol/

PerkingFaintly · 10/06/2025 08:34

I that know some people who are kept in a bubble by Trump-leaning US media may be unaware of the level of violence in the attack at the Capitol.

Five people dead, police officers seriously injured.

It was not a peaceful protest.

Serpentstooth · 10/06/2025 08:35

O Perking, that mob contained some 'very nice people' whereas this mob is just Nasty Radical Left Insurrectionists. Bigly, we can see you.

PerkingFaintly · 10/06/2025 08:36

So anyone claiming that Donald Trump cares about maintaining law and order is having the wool pulled over their eyes.

He hasn't ordered armed troops into LA in order to increase law and order, but to increase violence and chaos.

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 09:26

PerkingFaintly · 10/06/2025 08:34

I that know some people who are kept in a bubble by Trump-leaning US media may be unaware of the level of violence in the attack at the Capitol.

Five people dead, police officers seriously injured.

It was not a peaceful protest.

Edited

Even I am not old enough to remember Kent State.

Igotjelly · 10/06/2025 09:27

Latest episode of “words matter” on the DSR network is a good listen to understand the sweeping powers that Trump really has should he choose to invoke them. Name of the episode is “Stop waiting for us to become an autocracy. We’re already there”

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 09:29

Igotjelly · 10/06/2025 09:27

Latest episode of “words matter” on the DSR network is a good listen to understand the sweeping powers that Trump really has should he choose to invoke them. Name of the episode is “Stop waiting for us to become an autocracy. We’re already there”

And you chose it too.

CaveMum · 10/06/2025 10:19

Ladies & Gents, we have a plopper! What fun, it’s been ages since we had one if those!

@AcrossthePond55 I’m sorry things are tough right now, sending you much love.

You can easily see that LA is a litmus test. If the court challenge fails Trump will start sending out the National Guard wherever he feels like it.

It’s also giving him the chance to play at being the Dear Leader ahead of his birthday parade this weekend.

Serpentstooth · 10/06/2025 10:32

O The Parade! Guess they've had to ditch the gold-plated Tesla. How's he going to protect the nation from nasty lefty criminal insurrectionists if he's brought all his military/militia/national guard folk to the Bigly Walk of Worship in Washington? So exciting. Just like Russia.

borntobequiet · 10/06/2025 11:29

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 09:26

Even I am not old enough to remember Kent State.

I am, and was reminded of it. However, it was the state Governor’s call IIRC.

heldinadream · 10/06/2025 11:37

Oh god yes it's the most narcissistic important man in the world's birthday on Saturday, quick, we all need to rip our ears off and buy dark glasses so we don't have to watch or listen sort out our best outfits and raise our stars and stripes to celebrate the man who has wrecked world politics and everyone's peace of mind literally is the USA 🇺🇸 🍊💩

logicisall · 10/06/2025 11:46

Welcome @Radyward. I'm looking forward to your debating your POV. It's always interesting in learning why and how the opposing side thinks.

PerkingFaintly · 10/06/2025 11:49

Los Angeles protests: California governor says marines ‘not political pawns’ as Donald Trump deploys more National Guard troops – live
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/jun/10/los-angeles-protests-la-donald-trump-ice-gavin-newsom-california-live-latest-news
08.34 BST
Los Angeles police chief Jim McDonnell said in a statement he was confident in the police department’s ability to handle large-scale demonstrations and that the Marines’ arrival without coordinating with the police department would present a “significant logistical and operational challenge” for them.

Monday’s demonstrations were far less raucous, with thousands peacefully attending a rally at City Hall and hundreds protesting outside a federal complex that includes a detention center where some immigrants are being held after workplace raids across the city.

Los Angeles protests: California governor says marines ‘not political pawns’ as Donald Trump deploys more National Guard troops – live

Gavin Newsom says Trump’s threat to deploy marines to LA is ‘blatant abuse of power’ as state lodges a suit against administration

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/jun/10/los-angeles-protests-la-donald-trump-ice-gavin-newsom-california-live-latest-news?page=with%3Ablock-6847e00c8f0868a29b8014ce#block-6847e00c8f0868a29b8014ce

PickAChew · 10/06/2025 11:56

heldinadream · 10/06/2025 11:37

Oh god yes it's the most narcissistic important man in the world's birthday on Saturday, quick, we all need to rip our ears off and buy dark glasses so we don't have to watch or listen sort out our best outfits and raise our stars and stripes to celebrate the man who has wrecked world politics and everyone's peace of mind literally is the USA 🇺🇸 🍊💩

I knew he was a big fan of Charlie but I never expected Trump to put on such a show for him.

Serpentstooth · 10/06/2025 12:05

It's a competition *PickAChew'. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can outdo Charles in the unearned medals and uniforms stakes.

PickAChew · 10/06/2025 12:59

I bet he will have more tanks than Charles but his cannons will be nowhere near as impressive.

Evenstar · 10/06/2025 13:16

Disgusting

No more Musk, Melania MIA and TACOs for tea: The Idiocracy beds down - Trump thread #144
logicisall · 10/06/2025 13:53

Radyward · 10/06/2025 07:57

Sorry illegal aliens need to go.
Lapd defunded
Anything but peaceful protests
Businesses burned
Its disgusting. How could anyone support these protesters.
Gavin newsom isint interested in law and order.
Ice needs to do its job and deport

Illegal aliens need to go
Do all illegal aliens need to be deported or just some?
Should they be deported to their home country or somewhere else where the US pays for their detention, as is the case now?
Is the huge sum of money for ICE/Nat Guard/Military action the best use of federal funds?

Grok's answer to why the US has illegal aliens.
In summary, unauthorized immigration persists due to economic demand, dire conditions abroad, enforcement limitations, and a strained legal system. Both major political sides agree the system is broken, but solutions—whether stricter enforcement or expanded legal pathways—remain contentious. Their presence stems from a mix of systemic, economic, and social factors, which I’ll break down based on available data and reasoning, avoiding speculation or unverified claims.

Economic Pull Factors: The U.S. offers job opportunities that attract migrants from countries with weaker economies. Industries like agriculture, construction, and hospitality often rely on low-wage labor, which unauthorized immigrants frequently fill. For example, a 2019 study estimated that undocumented workers make up about 5% of the U.S. workforce, contributing significantly to sectors with labor shortages. Higher wages compared to their home countries incentivize migration, even without legal status.

Push Factors from Home Countries: Many unauthorized immigrants come from regions facing violence, poverty, or political instability. Central American countries like Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador, for instance, have high homicide rates and economic hardship. The UNHCR reported in 2023 that over 500,000 people fled these countries annually, some seeking asylum in the U.S. While not all qualify for legal asylum, the desperation drives many to cross borders irregularly.

Border Enforcement Challenges: The U.S.-Mexico border spans nearly 2,000 miles, and despite significant investment in security—$20 billion annually for Customs and Border Protection—complete control is difficult. Smugglers exploit gaps, and apprehensions of unauthorized crossers reached 1.1 million in 2024, per CBP data. Some are detained and deported, but others evade detection or are released pending immigration hearings due to overcrowded facilities.
Visa Overstays: A significant portion of unauthorized immigrants—estimated at 40-50% by the Center for Immigration Studies—enter legally on visas (e.g., B-2 tourist visas) but fail to track or deport overstayers effectively.

Policy and Legal Gaps: The U.S. immigration system is widely criticized as outdated. Legal pathways for low-skilled workers are limited, with visa backlogs stretching years. For example, some family-based green card categories have wait times exceeding 20 years for certain countries, per USCIS 2025 data. This pushes some to bypass legal routes. Additionally, political gridlock has stalled comprehensive immigration reform, leaving enforcement inconsistent and creating a backlog of over 2 million immigration court cases as of 2024.

Asylum System Strain: Many migrants claim asylum at the border, citing credible fear of persecution. While some claims are valid, the system is overwhelmed, with adjudication taking years. In 2023, over 1 million asylum applications were pending, per EOIR data. Some migrants use this process to gain temporary entry, though not all qualify for permanent relief, contributing to the unauthorized population.

Historical Context: Policies like the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act legalized millions but didn’t address future flows. Subsequent enforcement-focused policies, like increased deportations under various administrations, haven’t fully deterred migration. The DACA program (2012) also protects some brought as children, but it doesn’t resolve broader issues of unauthorized immigration.

Are Americans willing to work in the usually low wage jobs that many illegal aliens do? Post Brexit, the UK had food rotting in the fields because of the resulting shortage of farm workers.
Would it be better to declare an amnesty, bring the undocumented immigrants into the tax system and plan how to manage future immigration?

@Radyward, Do you still believe your blanket statement that 'illegal aliens have to go'?

SerendipityJane · 10/06/2025 13:57

logicisall · 10/06/2025 13:53

Illegal aliens need to go
Do all illegal aliens need to be deported or just some?
Should they be deported to their home country or somewhere else where the US pays for their detention, as is the case now?
Is the huge sum of money for ICE/Nat Guard/Military action the best use of federal funds?

Grok's answer to why the US has illegal aliens.
In summary, unauthorized immigration persists due to economic demand, dire conditions abroad, enforcement limitations, and a strained legal system. Both major political sides agree the system is broken, but solutions—whether stricter enforcement or expanded legal pathways—remain contentious. Their presence stems from a mix of systemic, economic, and social factors, which I’ll break down based on available data and reasoning, avoiding speculation or unverified claims.

Economic Pull Factors: The U.S. offers job opportunities that attract migrants from countries with weaker economies. Industries like agriculture, construction, and hospitality often rely on low-wage labor, which unauthorized immigrants frequently fill. For example, a 2019 study estimated that undocumented workers make up about 5% of the U.S. workforce, contributing significantly to sectors with labor shortages. Higher wages compared to their home countries incentivize migration, even without legal status.

Push Factors from Home Countries: Many unauthorized immigrants come from regions facing violence, poverty, or political instability. Central American countries like Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador, for instance, have high homicide rates and economic hardship. The UNHCR reported in 2023 that over 500,000 people fled these countries annually, some seeking asylum in the U.S. While not all qualify for legal asylum, the desperation drives many to cross borders irregularly.

Border Enforcement Challenges: The U.S.-Mexico border spans nearly 2,000 miles, and despite significant investment in security—$20 billion annually for Customs and Border Protection—complete control is difficult. Smugglers exploit gaps, and apprehensions of unauthorized crossers reached 1.1 million in 2024, per CBP data. Some are detained and deported, but others evade detection or are released pending immigration hearings due to overcrowded facilities.
Visa Overstays: A significant portion of unauthorized immigrants—estimated at 40-50% by the Center for Immigration Studies—enter legally on visas (e.g., B-2 tourist visas) but fail to track or deport overstayers effectively.

Policy and Legal Gaps: The U.S. immigration system is widely criticized as outdated. Legal pathways for low-skilled workers are limited, with visa backlogs stretching years. For example, some family-based green card categories have wait times exceeding 20 years for certain countries, per USCIS 2025 data. This pushes some to bypass legal routes. Additionally, political gridlock has stalled comprehensive immigration reform, leaving enforcement inconsistent and creating a backlog of over 2 million immigration court cases as of 2024.

Asylum System Strain: Many migrants claim asylum at the border, citing credible fear of persecution. While some claims are valid, the system is overwhelmed, with adjudication taking years. In 2023, over 1 million asylum applications were pending, per EOIR data. Some migrants use this process to gain temporary entry, though not all qualify for permanent relief, contributing to the unauthorized population.

Historical Context: Policies like the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act legalized millions but didn’t address future flows. Subsequent enforcement-focused policies, like increased deportations under various administrations, haven’t fully deterred migration. The DACA program (2012) also protects some brought as children, but it doesn’t resolve broader issues of unauthorized immigration.

Are Americans willing to work in the usually low wage jobs that many illegal aliens do? Post Brexit, the UK had food rotting in the fields because of the resulting shortage of farm workers.
Would it be better to declare an amnesty, bring the undocumented immigrants into the tax system and plan how to manage future immigration?

@Radyward, Do you still believe your blanket statement that 'illegal aliens have to go'?

I am mildly surprised we've not had edicts about "good" "AI" and "Bad "AI" from on high yet. You can bet the moment "AI" works out what's going on, we will be told to ignore it. Despite the fact it's supposed to also be running our lives.

Seem familiar ? Anyone who was awake during the last two millennia might start to see a pattern.

To be less cr*tptic, how long before we have Catholic "AI" and heretical "AI" ?

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