Make America great again?!

[Mjaxten16]

what does it mean? Make it great again as in to back to the times a person of a different colour was to told to sit at the back of the bus away from a white person? Segregation? Beating a human being for being a different race?

when men were imprisoned for being gay? When women were told being didn’t exist for them? When white people thought they were a superior race? When women had to obey their husbands totally, and there was no such thing as rape in a marriage? When beating children with a belt was normalized. When people say make a country great again what do they want to be great again?

I assume that they do want those things, or at least don’t mind if they are a consequence of the unchallenged dominance of male, white, heterosexual power.

The MAGA creed thinks of those as little unimportant details.

I think it means: "We want to be the most powerful and important country in the world, so we can make other countries do what we tell them".

I don't think it means "Let's go back to the time when tens of millions of buffalo roamed unhindered and the First Nation Americans were the only humans here".

In the Uk we’ve had far longer to try to get used to our waning power but people still get sucked in by all the ‘Rule Britannia’ shizzle. It’s quite new for Americans that their empire is in the death throes.

Sadly, yes. All those things and when women didn’t even have right to have their sun bank accounts, take out credit in their own name, no birth control and when it was available, married women needed husband’s approval to get it. Abortions were illegal.

racism was not only blacks, but anyone who wasn’t white or Christian.

what is so very scary is that reform is do aligned and backed by maga there is a concerted effort by maga to try to influence the uk towards reform using a lot of propaganda. I’m seeing lots of scaremongering on my local social media pages.

also worried that I was reading up on the British farmers up in arms against labour but who are they rooting for? Alarmingly a logo on the British farmers .org website is make British farming great again. That term “great again” is so tainted by maga. I cannot believe it is on there is reform creeping in there too? Of course we don’t want the toxic food but are the farmers not aware of the connection between maga and reform? Not aware that reform is ukip, the new “right”, leave/brexit party - just repackaged?

It's just the same as 'Let's take back control' - in Brexit.

Deliberately ambiguous & meaningless so you can't actually pin anything back to the campaign and what they were promising.
Deliberately nostalgic - harking back to 'better' times (that were actually shit for vast swathes of the country).
Deliberately obscure so they can pivot it to whatever nonsense and lies they are spouting that day.

It's all bullshit

I think it's more to do with wanting an economy structured in such a way (and with the global economy enabling it) that the 50% of a population with IQ between 90 and 110 could leave school with middling academic achievements, get a job locally, progress through hard work (and being 110 IQ smart) and earn enough to marry and have a home on one salary, raising their family in reasonably safe suburban community, where they are respected as an integral and contributing part of that community. Rose-tinted '50s!

I think they assume that progressive social values would remain. Although without anti-social behaviour which conflicts with the 'reasonably safe suburban community', some of which is now normalised.

I actually think that '50s nostalgia conflicts far less with socially liberal values than it does with current levels of consumerism.

The globalisation of the last 30 years (alongside unsustainable government borrowing, admittedly) has resulted in Western populations having expectations for their standard of living which are incompatible with current reality, let alone a return to a less efficient '50s economic model.

'50s families didn't each have a computer in their pocket more powerful than the ones Nasa used a decade later to send Neil Armstrong to the moon. Plus a few extra in their houses to play games. They didn't holiday abroad. They got new clothes rarely, and didn't get any of the cosmetic treatments people expect now. They rarely ate out, and made meals from scratch. The health service was able to treat far fewer conditions. 3% of the population went to Uni rather than 50%.

I think that's the more insoluble incompatability. People's material expectations. Keeping the socially liberal values whilst readjusting the economic model is a doddle in comparison.

It's just the usual rose tinted spectacles, in the 50s everyone was rich and lived in pretty houses with picket fences, they lived on one wage and ran two cars with four children and everyone was happy. And now is paradise lost, of course it was never like that except for quite wealthy people, most people were pretty poor back then too.