Supreme Court ruling.

[Dobetterplease]

I don’t particularly care if this gets deleted and I get banned, if you are openly happy about the Supreme Court decision then you are the problem with society today.

Trans men and women are not the problem, they are not the reason for violence against women. However for whatever insane reason you have made them the subject of your ire and will stop at nothing to see them suffer for these perceived slights you think they have committed.

do you idiots not realise this implications this ruling has? Putting hundreds of thousands of people’s lives at risk, severely increasing the mental struggle trans people face before transitioning and increasing any shame they may already be experiencing.

Do you think these rules stop with trans people? They don’t. We aren’t living in the medieval ages where only white men had rights, this is 2025 so why don’t we start acting like it.

I actually cannot express the anger this brings me, to treat a fellow HUMAN BEING this way is beyond me.

Consider that what trans men and women label themselves as and what bathrooms they use is a) not really as deep a subject as you think and b) frankly none of your business.

Perhaps consider going outside and touching some grass.

OP asks :"Do you think these rules stop with trans people? They don’t."

Who else could the ruling possibly impact, other than transwomen, transmen and non-binary people?

How can hundreds of thousands of lives be put at risk? Who are they, and what's the risk? Is it suicide - trans people may self-report higher rates suicide ideation, but don't seem to be out of sync with the general population when committing suicide is considered.

I would be really interested in an answer, there's been a lot of assertions like this over the last week.

Posting while drunk is rarely a good idea. And you're being maybe just a teensy bit hyperbolic.

I recommend having a few glasses of water before bedtime, or you're going to have quite a hangover tomorrow.

I suspect OP won't be back to make any kind of rational contribution to the discussion or respond to questions.

Hi OP. You're obviously really cross.

Are you a trans person? A woman (the cunty kind)? A man (the old fashioned kind) I would like to know from what angle your ire comes.

Don’t think you’d be deleted for expressing your opinion, nor do I think you’d be banned (if you’re not abusive).

Trans men and women are not the problem, they are not the reason for violence against women.

No, men are, regardless of their gender identity. If you think transwomen shouldn’t share toilets, prisons, hospital wards with men, it’s presumably because you think their safety/dignity/privacy will be compromised by the presence of men. Women also deserve those things and by including transwomen in our spaces, we lose out on our rights to single sex spaces and the safety/privacy/dignity that they provide.

Oh bless. Did a grown up tell you "no"?

I know you’re being deliberately goady, but I’ll still respond.

Can you give me the definition of a transwoman? Who decides it’s someone who wants to live a more ‘feminine life ()and ‘thinks like a woman’ ()
rather than the pervert who uses this as the way they access a female hospital ward.

(* - and what does this mean, from someone who was wearing black , and trousers today, and not pink and a dress).

The SC ruling was simply a case of the grownups applying common sense and logic rather than TRA fantasies for what the law should be.

It is blatantly obvious if you have half a brain that if anyone who says they are a woman is a woman, and can use women's spaces, then ALL men (even the bad kind) can use women's spaces and there is no such thing as a single-sex space. Therefore if single sex spaces are to exist, they have to exclude transwomen. It would be lovely if single sex spaces were entirely unnecessary. Let's dismantle the patriarchy and make misogyny history first, then we can work out whether such concepts are redundant.

The ruling does not legitimise transphobia, it affirms that trans people have every right to dignity and equal treatment. All kinds of services and opportunities can still be available to trans people within a mixed-sex context. It's only accessing single-sex options that are designated for the sex that they are not which has been confirmed as inappropriate. Trans people can still pee, get changed, compete and do almost anything else they need to in mixed-sex spaces. There are very few things that absolutely have to be offered as single-sex only without a mixed-sex option also being possible. The next step is to work out appropriate solutions for those, that do not involve destroying the single sex option but allow trans people a viable way to an alternative.

It is not women who are to blame for this. Blame Stonewall who fantasised about an unworkable legal position and pretended it could be made into reality by effort of willpower.

You cannot have a special set of rules that only apply to certain people if the criteria for opting into that set of people is entirely on the say-so of the individual person.

Humans can't change sex.

I am genuinely sorry that so many people have built their lives upon a lie. It was inevitable that reality would eventually crash in and painfully smash illusion apart.

It's not our fault that you and your friends believe something that just isn't true. I'm sorry but your anger is misplaced.

I agree that Transmen and Transwomen are not the problem. Women are not the problem either. The problem that both groups have in common is the fear of male violence.

Transgender people and women could be strong allies in changing the culture of male violence if we could find the middle ground and support rather than fight each other.

Do you think that could ever happen OP?

The court was right, women are women.
Gender is made up.

Thanks - my misunderstanding.

No, we are not the problem.

We are women, ensuring the women's safe spaces are just that, a resource we have fought for, for more than a century.

We wish no disrespect to any other human being, but an X chromosome cannot magically become a Y chromosome or vice versa. If someone is born male, they are male.

Claiming otherwise is ludicrous, simply a case of the King's new clothes.

You’re correct: it’s not only men that have rights, women do too, and this SC judgement protects those rights, along with the human rights of trans people.

You’re right, we aren’t living in the Medieval ages. Women now have rights and those rights state that a woman is someone who was born female and that female-only facilities should only be used by those who were female at birth.

Dress however you like and refer to yourself however you like. If you want to pretend your are a female, that’s great for you. Nobody objects to what you wear or how you present yourself, but the law states that you can’t use female-only facilities.

Your Community should never have been sold the idea that you can change sex. But I’m afraid I’m yet to have read even one convincing argument about why the SC ruling is a bad thing. It’s largely just name-calling and living in a fantasy land where you have been told you can be anything you want.
You can’t, that’s just life.

oh honey, you’re out of your depth here.

I know and love trans people. But humans can’t change sex and women have the right to their own spaces, language, and rights. We’ve said no, and we mean it.

You are a shallow thinker and really don't get it. This is not about 'trans' people. This is about MALE vs FEMALE. And the retention of womens hard won sex-based rights and single sex spaces such as change rooms, rape crisis centres and battered womens shelters.

If you think females should not have rights and spaces to ourself separate from males - you are basically saying that our foremother feminists, who fought hard for those spaces, were silly and did it all for nothing.

You are prioritising males over vulnerable women and girls. Over the oppressed sex class and womens struggle. And that makes YOU everything wrong with this society.

Hundreds of thousands? Source?

Woah! Rude!!
And nasty
Who do you think you are ????

Men who identify as trans are five times more likely to commit sex offences than other men.

What do you think a 'transwoman' is? Do you know what you are fighting for?

Do you think these rules stop with trans people?

Why shouldn’t women be concerned about men who so openly declare that they will ignore women’s boundaries and rules to protect women? It is precisely this male attitude that the law recognises as the reason women need spaces away from men.

It is always telling how men who pretend to be women behave in such a male way when challenged.

As a biological woman I totally agree with and you couldn’t get anyone as easy going and accepting as me, but this is where I draw the line and don’t get starting on the boxing - just plain cheating

Perfect response

I find it absolutely fascinating that you don't consider that I've been someone lobbying for clarity and fairness for everybody in this situation and that I've grown very exhausted with remaining polite and understanding and allowing people to speak to me, my community, and about me and my community, the way some people have been.

This is no doubt why some people in my community sound so loud, or sound so rigid; it is draining dealing with you people. You have nothing nice to say about any of us. You use the sad but also very infrequent accounts of a trans person doing something awful, or an awful man doing something awful then wrongly trying to self ID into women's prisons etc, and make it an 'every trans' situation. Cismen are the biggest problem and always will be. The patriarchy is the major issue. The incel movement. People like the orange wotsit getting into power and erasing women's safety and reproductive health care. Have you not noticed online how much more public the homophobes are speaking up now?

My community isn't huge. The number of sickos among my community does not equal or outnumber those from the straight non queer community.

I'll continue to lobby for protections and safety and women's rights and trans rights, particularly where cismen are concerned, being they're the demographic harming us the most. But I'm absolutely done with being spoken to, and treated like I'm thick, or a lesser being, or a freak, or with people trying to make me feel I don't belong and have no worth - I like myself and I wouldn't change how I feel about my gender. I am myself, and I am just another person wishing things weren't so shit for anyone born as or identifying as a woman.