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Supreme Court ruling: can women’s groups still choose to allow trans women?

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Blackdow · 20/04/2025 12:53

I’m just looking for someone to explain it to me. Sorry 🤦‍♀️.

Now that’s it’s been clarified in law than trans women do not come under the “women” category in the equality act, so we can use the single sex exemption to keep them out without fear of being sued, can place still choose to allow them?

For instance, a sexual assault support group for women or a woman’s group of any kind was previously being told they had to allow trans women as the equality act was being misrepresented. Now, the single sex exemption can be used properly so trans women can be told no. But what if they group wanted to allow them? Is the single sex exemption optional? Or do they now have to follow it? I’m just trying to make sure I understand it.

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SnakesAndArrows · 27/04/2025 18:27

there have been records of intersex people able to carry pregnancy to term with their own eggs and also have their own sperm

You’ll have evidence of this hallucination assertion, of course? Are you “researching” using ChatGPT?

ohdelay · 27/04/2025 19:14

Why have we moved on to Intersex people? Was there a memo when the long and boring Schrodinger's transman gotcha didn't work? It is very simple, female single sex spaces are restricted to biological women only.

For simplicity again, having a Y chromosome means you're not a biological woman, you are a man.

No men are allowed in female single sex spaces.

Any man trying to force themselves into women's single sex spaces is proving by his own actions he does not accept a no from women so is one of the wronguns and should be challenged.
Defined female single sex spaces can not include any biological males (this includes transwomen as they are men)
Mixed sex spaces include both biological males and biological females (everybody can use them)

ErinBell01 · 10/06/2025 01:20

JiJi456 · 27/04/2025 15:47

As someone who is experienced with individuals where English isn't their first language the idea that gender is different from sex isn't that difficult to explain, especially when it's a concept seen worldwide. If you can't explain it in English well enough for them to understand simply pulling up google translate to explain it in their native language isn't that difficult and in my experience, I find it works quite well. It also isn't that difficult to explain it to someone who cognitively doesn't understand complex concepts, as there are so many methods that have been developed to explain it in simple terms.

I don't know exactly what you meant by "second wave feminist perspective of biology and social conditioning". I find it a little ridiculous that people assume that the outcry around this ruling are from people who lack common sense or a firm grasp on biology, considering biology recognises that sex isn't binary and is in fact a spectrum (by the simple fact that intersex people exist). Though rare there is in fact several instances of people who's bodies have changed sex biologically speaking. The law is unfortunately quite outdated and a lot of the outcry comes from people angry at the fact that instead of taking this into account or pushing for reform, the Supreme Court has instead stuck to old ways of thinking for the sake of 'keeping the peace' and maintaining the status quo.

If I misinterpreted the last part of your post and went on a pointless tangent (which I actually had to keep short because I could talk a lot more about the specifics), I apologise. I just like science as it's my background.😊

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You call yourself a scientist yet write nonsense about people changing their sex! That has never happened in the whole of history - humans are not clown fish. Mr Menno has a lovely song about it.
You also say that sex is on a spectrum! Again, total tosh. Intersex people are not proof of a spectrum but rather that there is a genetic problem - a Difference of Sexual Development. They're all either male or female.

ErinBell01 · 10/06/2025 01:29

JiJi456 · 27/04/2025 16:25

Unfortunately, scientifically speaking, binary means they have to be one or the other. Someone's sex is defined by a host of sexual characteristics; chromosomes, physical characteristics, gene expression and hormones. Someone who isn't expressly on one side of the 'binary' or the other with all characteristics are termed as outside the binary or intersexed (oversimplification but I would be writing paragraphs upon paragraphs if I didn't simplify). Most modern minds posit that sex is bimodal (two peaks, one representing male and the other female characteristics where any given person might be on the peaks or anywhere in between).

Especially considering as newborns doctors only check one of 4 characteristics that define sex it leaves much to be desired in the medical field. Some people who were defined female sex at birth might not even be if their other characteristics are checked. Also I wouldn't call 1.7% (of confirmed intersexed individuals) of 8 billion people 'disordered', that's too high of a population to scientifically be considered outliers.

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It's not 1.7%, it's more like 0.018% according to Stats for Gender. As they say, the claim that it's 1.7% is used by people who want to claim that sex is on a spectrum - Oh could that be you? As Kathleen Stock says, she could be counted as 'intersex' by Fausto-Sterling as she lost an ovary in early adulthood!

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