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geordie12 · 13/04/2025 12:39

My apologies for such a long post , I have 2 DS , one 33 one 38 both of which growing up I had a good relationship with , but at 32 I was diagnosed with breast cancer and this came and went for ten years I tried to shield them from it and because of this and the impact I thought it had on the childhood I showered them with material items and they grew up very spoilt , mind I had not problems with them at school absolutely nothing no police no alcohol nothing they went out with there mates if they did get up to anything we never knew about it .They left school both got jobs and my oldest went in to have a relationship and 2 GC who I have a very good relationship with and with my DL so that one was good
Now my problem my youngest DS he's went on to have numerous relationships all if whom I got on, eventually he went in to have a relationship with a girl and had a son this relationship until she had the child was quite good , but after the child it started to disintegrate she was extremely possessive of my grandson and I struggled to keep that relationship, her family were allowed to see cuddle feed my grandson while I sat like a lemon , then he'd complain about things like I didn't wash my hands before I picked up the baby take I shoes off when I went in even though I was never asked I felt like it was just couldn't do anything right .
Over this eventually there was a row so we stopped speaking for over a year and I had no contact with any of them . Eventually we started speaking again even though it was fraught , again another row this time over a row about my youngest GS and his DS ., another row and another year of not speaking fast forward 12 months and he comes home he splits with his partner and I get to see my GS again everything is fine for about 6 years between him and his ex partner it was actually better than it ever had been .So we fast forward to about 5 years ago he leaves home he starts rowing again between his dad and myself he did try and stop contact with myself and his DS but she said no so he had no control there so he came and went fast forward 4 years ago , at this point he sets up home with a new girlfriend that relationship again with ourselves was fraught because she was jealous over the relationship I had with his ex partner , there relationship was very volatile at this point as well , both my DS were very open with myself about any problems they had and because my youngest son had such a volatile relationship with his current girlfriend and she had a very short fuse when they rowed he told me what was said and she said some awful things about both his DF myself and his DS some things are just unforgivable. Maybes he told us too much ,
So we fast forward 2 years ago my DH refused to have his GF in the house because of some of the things she said but he wanted me to.put it all to bed , and let her back in our home but my DH refused so another row where he said some awful things to me not his DF .
So 2 years no contact with me but he does speak to his DF the have stood outside talking and I have invited him in but he's refused .
We had heard in the grapevine he's furious over how I now have a good relationship with his ex partner , fast forward another 6 months he has a row with his ex girlfriend and stopped seeing his DS but his choice .
So now we are at a standstill he doesn't speak to me which breaks my heart but he does his DF his GF doesn't like either of us , and watching his new lifestyle I feel like both his DF and myself just don't fit into his party lifestyle I hear about things he does and her parents are younger than us and party go out drinking with them where as we're older and to be honest I feel that he's just ashamed of us we don't have the private house or the modern furniture and we just aren't there type of people but that's just my feelings and my DH just isn't bothered about what he does or what he thinks maybes I'm over thinking , so I want to make amends but just how because I have a good relationship with his ex and see my GS I know he doesn't like that he tells other relatives that I chose them over him quite honestly I've learnt it's a control thing if he doesn't control things he spits his dummy out and stops speaking , so how do I try again and what do I do when he starts about the relationship with his ex which I know he will I just want to stop all of this and try and put it behind us but another thing is his current GF she won't be happy and another thing I've learnt over the years is he's no backbone when it comes to women in his life when his ex partner started about us whether she was right or wrong he'd agree with her and again whether his current GF she's right or wrong he will agree with her, so where do I go from here , it breaks my heart I'm not speaking to him but I'm just stuck on this roller coaster with him I love him dearly , my DH says just leave it if he wants to come back he will but I see no end, his auntie thinks I will end in tears for me if I approach him because it's so volatile I really don't know what to do and how to approach it sorry again it's so long. HELP any advice would be appreciated thankyou

OP posts:
HereintheloveofChristIstand · 13/04/2025 12:43

I am so determined not to be ‘that wife’.
My DH is an only child (so am I) and we both only have our mums. We cherish both, celebrate special occasions together and both are equally involved in our child’s life. My mum is 10 years younger than his so will likely be able to do more physically for longer but we will never block one side or the other.
When DC was born, neither were present at the actual birth my mum gave the very first bottle at a few hours old, and MIL pushed the pram out of the hospital. We have a lovely photo of DC with his two grannies the day he was born.
So sorry this isn’t the case for you.

Mrsbloggz · 13/04/2025 12:45

Op, I think your thread title is interesting but I was defeated by the wall of text and I couldn't master up the motivation to actually read your post. Sorry🙏🏻

cariadlet · 13/04/2025 12:48

Mrsbloggz · 13/04/2025 12:45

Op, I think your thread title is interesting but I was defeated by the wall of text and I couldn't master up the motivation to actually read your post. Sorry🙏🏻

I'm the same. I started reading but gave up because it was so long and there were no paragraphs.

Any chance of a precis of the first post? I think you'll get more responses.

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Middleagedstriker · 13/04/2025 12:54

Sorry OP, sentences shouldn't be longer than about 15 words. And paragraphs need to be about three or four sentences.

My brain got very confused. Could you rewrite it more simply for the dyslexic amongst us.

Mrsbloggz · 13/04/2025 12:55

cariadlet · 13/04/2025 12:48

I'm the same. I started reading but gave up because it was so long and there were no paragraphs.

Any chance of a precis of the first post? I think you'll get more responses.

Vomiting up a stream of consciousness may be cathartic for the vomitor but most of us on this forum will be disinclined to wade through all the vomit to find the meaning!

Overhaul54 · 13/04/2025 13:00

I couldn’t read it all either, sorry.

But I guess the premise is one of the wives doesn’t let you see the GC and your son goes along with his wife?

All you can do is be involved from a distance I guess. Hopefully the dynamic might change as the kids grow up Sorry if that’s not what’s happening.

EmotionalSupportBlanket · 13/04/2025 13:15

This isn't actually anything to do with your DS's partner, as far as I can tell. It's your DS that blows hot and cold and freezes you out. I think that you should focus on the good relationships that you have with your other grandchild and don't chase after your DS.

JustMyView13 · 13/04/2025 13:30

I can’t read past the point where you think your son should have communicated you need to take your shoes off before entering their house. Or that you should wash your hands when they have a new baby. The fact you can’t see these are obvious things someone might expect when you visit their home, shows a lack of self awareness which I suspect is the crux of the issues here.

HeadacheEarthquake · 13/04/2025 13:42

Did an experiment and asked for a Clarified and Punctuated Version from Chat GPT. Wonder if it's accurate...

My apologies for such a long post. I have two sons, one aged 33 and the other 38. While they were growing up, I had a good relationship with both of them.

At 32, I was diagnosed with breast cancer. It came and went over the course of ten years. I tried to shield them from it, and because I felt guilty about the impact it had on their childhood, I showered them with material things. As a result, they grew up quite spoiled. That said, I never had any trouble with them—no issues at school, no involvement with the police, no alcohol problems. If they ever got up to anything, we never knew about it.

They both left school and got jobs. My eldest entered into a relationship and had two children. I have a great relationship with my grandchildren and my daughter-in-law. That side of things is good.

The issue is with my youngest son. He’s had numerous relationships, all with women I got along with. Eventually, he settled down with a partner and had a son. At first, the relationship was good, but after the baby was born, things deteriorated. His partner became extremely possessive. Her family had full access to the baby—cuddling, feeding, etc.—while I was left sitting there like a lemon. I was criticized for things like not washing my hands or not taking off my shoes, even though I was never asked to. I felt like I couldn't do anything right.

Eventually, we had a row and didn’t speak for over a year. I had no contact with any of them. We started speaking again, but the relationship remained strained. Then came another row, this time involving his son and my youngest grandson. Again, we didn’t speak for another year.

About six years ago, he split up with his partner, came back home, and I was able to see my grandson again. Things were better than ever between him and his ex. Then, five years ago, he moved out and started arguing again—this time with both his dad and me. He even tried to cut contact between us and his son, but his ex wouldn’t allow it.

Four years ago, he moved in with a new girlfriend. That relationship was fraught because she was jealous of the bond I had with his ex. Their relationship was volatile, and he would often confide in me. She said some truly horrible things about me, his father, and even his son. Some of it was unforgivable. Maybe he told us too much.

Two years ago, my husband refused to let his girlfriend into our home due to what she had said. My son wanted to move on and have her accepted again, but my husband stood firm. This led to another argument, and my son said some awful things to me—though not to his father.

Since then, we’ve had no contact for two years. He speaks to his dad occasionally—they’ve even stood outside chatting—but he refuses to come in, even though I’ve invited him.

We’ve heard through the grapevine that he’s angry I now have a good relationship with his ex-partner. About six months ago, he had a row with his current girlfriend and stopped seeing his son—but that was his choice.

So now we’re at a standstill. He doesn’t speak to me, which breaks my heart, though he talks to his dad. His girlfriend doesn’t like either of us. Watching his new lifestyle, I feel like we no longer “fit in.” Her parents are younger and party with them, while we are older and quieter. I feel he’s ashamed of us—our modest house, our outdated furniture—and that we’re just not “their kind of people.” That may just be my perception, but it hurts.

I want to make amends, but I don’t know how—especially since I know he’ll bring up my relationship with his ex, which he dislikes. Honestly, I’ve realized it’s a control issue: if he can’t control things, he cuts people off. I don’t know how to approach him again.

The other problem is his girlfriend. She won’t be happy if we reconnect. I’ve also noticed that he has no backbone when it comes to the women in his life. He agreed with his ex, whether she was right or wrong, and now does the same with his current girlfriend.

Where do I go from here? I love him dearly. My husband says, “Leave it—if he wants to come back, he will.” But I see no end in sight. His aunt believes I’ll just end up hurt again if I try. I feel stuck on this emotional roller coaster. Please help. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.


Summary:

You’re a mother of two sons. You had a good relationship with both growing up, but after battling breast cancer and trying to protect them from it, you may have overcompensated materially. Your eldest son is doing well and you’re close with him, his partner, and their children. Your youngest son, however, has had a series of rocky relationships.

You’ve had a tumultuous relationship with him, marked by repeated fallouts—especially after he had a child with a possessive partner, and later with a new girlfriend who is hostile toward you. He has distanced himself repeatedly, especially when he feels he can’t control the situation. He currently refuses to speak to you, though he speaks to his father. You feel pushed aside, unwelcome in his life, and unsure how to reconcile, especially since his current girlfriend doesn’t support that. You deeply miss him, but you’re afraid of being hurt again.

LikeSeriously · 13/04/2025 13:57

You and your husband need to stand together on this. If he doesn’t speak to you, is not seeing his son then his father needs to call him out in his absolute shit behaviour. Your other son should also call him out. Any man who chooses not to have a relationship with their own child in my view is a waste of space.

GeorgianaM · 13/04/2025 16:15

Stop beating yourself up and trying to make excuses for his poor behaviour such as spoiling him with material things.

He's an adult now and can look back and understand you did your best at a time when you were unwell.

As an adult he can choose to act maturely or carry on being a car crash in his relationships which he has done so far.

He can also see that you have a good relationship with his brother and realise if he wants that too then he needs to modify his behaviour.

No amount of trying to make things right between you is going to work, it needs to come from him and quite frankly I don't think he's grown up yet.

Maybe he will man up one day but for now make it clear that you've done all you can to repair the relationship and will do no more.

Then distance yourself and concentrate on yourself, your husband and your other son and his family who do appreciate you as a wife and a mother.

Cynic17 · 13/04/2025 16:28

Like others, I struggled through the long incoherent text. But I think you just need to remember, OP, that your son is an adult. He can choose who he wants to see, and also who he doesn't. All this stuff about partners and exes is irrelevant, tbh.

Just leave him be. If he wants to contact you, he will. And if that happens, just be neutral and pleasant, and don't pass judgement on his choices. But the more you fuss and push, the more likely you are to drive him away forever, I can guarantee it.

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 13/04/2025 19:49

I read it and I'm going to take a stab and say you're Irish just from the writing style and language. (I'm irish)

Very honestly it think you've to leave him off with whatever it is. Don't try and pursue a relationship. Focus on your other son and your grandson (I'd encourage a close relationship with his cousins by taking g them all to things as a treat).

You can't do a thing about your son unless he decides to turn and come back. The reason is right now he has all "the power" and fast you over a barrel he has to come back to you and if he does dont go running, make sure its on your terms.

Your DH on the other hand is not helping matters having you'd son on your doorstep and letting him behave like that. I wpuld have a word and say he cam do whaf he likes if he must but can he do it away from the house.

You also need to make your peace with letting the "happy family" dream go. It must be very hard and i'd considrr counselling bit id focus my energy on "the good" youd oldsst son and DiL and the GC.
your second son just doesnt sound like he is a nice person and he def doesnt respect you. That's 💯 on him not you...

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