Pip and the government decisions

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I don't understand why the government are going for an all or nothing approach with getting disabled people back into work. I think there is a significant amount of disabled people who could work part time but if they lose pip and lcwra then this won't be an option as nobody can live on a part time wage. I think expecting people to suddenly be able to work 50/60 hour weeks just isn't realistic. I work part time and claim pip and lcwra and it works when I worked full time in the past i actually worked less as I was always ill and in hospital. I should be still able to claim pip and lcwra with the changes but I don't have a lot of trust in the system that this will definitely be the case and if I lost that money then what as I wouldn't be able to pay my bills, get to hospital appointments pay for aids etc. I would lose my home, my job everything. I just don't understand why there isn't a middle ground and part time work isn't being encouraged as surely the aim is to get more people working. I just don't get it.

Well all the care leaver gets is UC at £316.98 per month and cost of a room in a house. It would not cover food, electric, gas, toiletries, clothes, fuel for car to get to college. As it is his PIP goes towards fuel to get him to college and back each day and it's 20 miles away, so there and back twice a day 80 miles each week day. Without the LCWRA he will literally not have a penny to himself. When UC came in the severe disability allowance was scrapped in favour of LCWRA. Now it looks like he will lose that thanks to Labour.

Yes I agree.
My comments relate to those who pass the new assessments ie 4 points

Those who don’t will loose benefits.

It's doubtful he'd lose it if he relies on benefits.

He will lose it. The gov want to stop anyone under 22 getting UC.

I meant if it was means tested.

But it's not means tested where talking about what is actually about to happen to people

I’ve read quite a few similar cases and clearly there are some serious flaws in the assessment system.
Im afraid to say though I think passing the new ( we really have no idea what this will be either ) assessment will be even harder than it currently is.
Especially given how much money RR seems to think she’s going to save with it

We don't know what's going to happen yet. I offered an opinion on how I thought the cuts could be better managed.

That doesn't even make any sense 🙄

I think the problem with means testing is they always say it costs more then they save. Not quite sure how

Yes it is. Please look past the propaganda.

This government is not engaging in good faith, just like the last government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g2ejxpl17o

Means testing PIP would mean that the household income would be taken into account. For some people, PIP is their only income and is a bit of financial independence for them. So a vulnerable disabled woman would be 100% financially dependent on her spouse. That is a not a great situation to be in.

Nor does taking it away from some disabled people or lowering the amount to those who are too disabled to work.
And yet

Why doesn't it make sense 🙄

Admin.
Every single individual would have to supply both income from all areas and savings. Plus evidence
Thats a lot of work to do for one claimant

If you look at the winter fuel allowance.
They removed it from everyone other those those who got pension credit because they are already in the system, so it’s easy. All those living on only a full pension lost out hugely and ended up on less money / year than those not on a full pension. Why….because of admin costs. Extremely unfair on many who had worked the minimum years to get that full state pension.

All the stats show increase in costs particularly amongst the 18-64 year olds with projected unaffordable increases.
Its why our Council tax bills are rising so much.

It’s not this Governments research either, the Conservatives acknowledged the rising figures too.

Not sure why you've linked that bbc article. It has nothing to do with the rising costs ….. the Charities in the article don’t deny them.

I'm disgusted by the proposed changes. I claim PIP and nothing else and work part time in two professional roles. We're not eligible for anything else because my husband earns a good salary. If he was the kind of feckless bastard who would abandon his disabled wife I would no doubt be entitled to much more. So no, PIP should not be means tested, working claimants are at least making some kind of contribution to society. Why punish us for it? We've already lost a lot of family income thanks to me becoming disabled.

I agree with you it's would make no difference to me if it was means tested im well below the cut off for anything like that, it's the government who keep saying it's to expensive.

This is what I'm worried about and the irony is it will mean he can't then afford fuel to get to and from college. So then he'll be stuck at his room all the time.

The thing is, people aren't worrying needlessly. Under the governments newly proposed guidelines:
Someone who can't get themselves in or out of the bath/shower, or wash themselves below the waist, who needs an aid or appliance to manage toilet needs or incontinence and needs assistance to dress their lower body WON'T qualify for the daily living component of PIP.

The system is cruel enough as it currently stands. With the changes the government wants to make it will become even worse - they're going to leave thousands of people who need assistance in their day-to-day lives without the means to get that help.

No it shouldn't!

You think people with little income should lose out and those on 100k should continue to get it?

This is don't think people understand the realities of what the government is actually proposing

@WeylandYutani it’s not clear whether it will be stopped for current 18/22 year olds or only new claims

Why?

Becoming disabled or chronically sick isn't means tested. It can happen to anyone.