Adolescence/young men

[CurlewKate]

I’ve noticed that there have been several threads started recently about the young men in our society-some prompted by the recent Netflix drama. Threads like this have been occurring periodically over the last few years. But they always seem to be quite short lived, which I find surprising on a forum with so many thoughtful women -many of us mothers of teenagers. And I don’t know why. It seems to me to be such an important subject-why aren’t we talking about more?

Marking place as I’m intending to watch it this weekend with my nearly 13 yo ds. I recently read Caitlin Moran’s ‘What About Men’, and it was very enlightening (as well as funny).

I honestly think many of them are started by whoever is marketing the show. There’s been such an over the top push to ram it down our throats there’s no way it is all organic chat.

Probably part of a broader move towards internet censorship.

Wow, @muggartthat’s quite stretch! Are you saying there isn’t an issue?

I'm not sure it is that much of a stretch, and I've posted on many of the threads! The PR push has been huge, but it's clearly quite a divisive show and topic - with the defensive mothers thinking it's a load of crap, boring and not relevant to them, and the ones who watched it who weren't in denial saying 'yeah your cognitive dissonance is exactly why you should watch it again' which just winds up the defensive mothers more

The entire show was designed to prompt discussion. It wasn't supposed to be plot driven, procedurally accurate, or even gripping. It was supposed to get people thinking, reflecting and talking. So I don't think it's a stretch at all for threads to be started and left to run, having prompted that discussion.

They're getting it from peers and online. It's quite difficult to restrict their friendships. Internet access can be restricted via parental controls and via the router as well.

It's happening as a kickback against women having more independence and the ability to reject men who are subpar. Men haven't needed to make much effort historically and they're naturally selfish and lazy creatures who only seem to need a place to live, food, sex and someone to clean up after them. Obviously this isn't attractive to women and they don't need to tolerate this. Rather than making a bit of effort they'd rather get together and be toxic about it. I think talking to boys about the issue might help, but where effort is involved, males aren't happy and may still kick back regardless of what you do. Of course a good male role model in the home is a good idea too, if such a thing is possible.

I only really used the show as a hook. I’m thinking about the broader issue. I do hope we don’t create a world where “I’m concerned and thinking seriously about the issues” is synonymous with “I’ve watched the show.” A lot of the current threads seem to focus on a critique of the show.