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7.4 million people claim some form of disability or incapacity benefits

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MidnightPatrol · 17/03/2025 08:15

Given the various back and forth of discussion on the reduction in disability and incapacity benefits, not much data on the debate has been shared - it’s a mainly emotional debate.

So for context, the figures:

  • 7.4 million people claim sickness benefits of some kind
  • The total number of claimants has increased by a third in five years (up 1.8 million)
  • 1 in 10 working age adults claims, and 1 in 12 school aged children
  • 1.2 million people aged under 25 claim sickness benefits, a rise of two thirds in 5 years - 1 in 15 claiming something
  • 4 million adults claim sickness benefit of some kind, up from 2.8 million in 2019. Two thirds of that increase is people under 50.
  • 2.5 million people claim UC health benefits, up 500k people this year alone - in 2019 less than 500k people claimed this
  • 1.8 million have no requirement to look for work
  • Sickness benefits for working age adults are expected to cost £70b by 2030 - a third of the cost of the NHS
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WinterBones · 17/03/2025 11:29

you actually need a VERY specific letter in the award to GET motability. My DS has both higher rate care and mobility, but doesn't have the correct 'letter signifier' to qualify for a blue badge or a motability car.

On the flip side, i am physically disabled enough to qualify for a blue badge but not to claim PIP... so work that shit out.

childofspace · 17/03/2025 11:29

It’s very interesting to see how quickly hatred and resentment for one group of people in society can gain pace. Reminds me of something 🤔

Hwi · 17/03/2025 11:29

Everybody knows that the support system is far too generous for those who abuse it, otherwise those who abuse it would not have abused it.

If you/your child/parent/spouse are genuinely ill, no amount of benefit money is enough - how can money make up for a genuine lack of health and illness???? How?

Interested in this thread?

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childofspace · 17/03/2025 11:30

Hwi · 17/03/2025 11:29

Everybody knows that the support system is far too generous for those who abuse it, otherwise those who abuse it would not have abused it.

If you/your child/parent/spouse are genuinely ill, no amount of benefit money is enough - how can money make up for a genuine lack of health and illness???? How?

For a start it can fund therapy and treatment that the nhs can’t offer as they do t have capacity and waiting lists are years long

LongDarkTeatime · 17/03/2025 11:30

MidnightPatrol · 17/03/2025 11:21

I didn’t share them to offer my thesis, I shared them as the data demonstrates the objective reason why the system is under review - it’s rapidly rising cost.

No, I don’t think analysis on tax avoidance is necessary to discuss the challenge of the growing sickness and benefits situation. Is it a problem? Sure. Does it mean the growing cost of sickness and benefits is any less relevant? No.

Have you seen how much the cost of heavy armament is rising?
Have you seen how much the cost of heating schools is rising?
Have you seen how much the cost of treating newly discovered cancers is rising with newer and better treatments?

By simply looking at numbers you reduce an issue to overly simplistic stats. How much of that cost in PIP is enabling people to stay in employment and pay back into the public purse.
Just as re-arming is supported to avoid a greater war with Russia
Just as heating our schools keeps our kids healthier and learning to help them move towards a more productive future.

Decisions are more nuanced than simple figure going out.

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 11:31

childofspace · 17/03/2025 11:29

It’s very interesting to see how quickly hatred and resentment for one group of people in society can gain pace. Reminds me of something 🤔

Have we arrived at Godwin’s Law already?

kittensinthekitchen · 17/03/2025 11:31

7.4 million claims

1.2 million under 25s
4 million adults

Math ain't mathing. Unless the other alleged 2.2 million are animals?

Lyannaa · 17/03/2025 11:31

MidnightPatrol · 17/03/2025 11:24

Even if there were, it doesn’t make the question of how and what should be funded given the increased numbers of people claiming for it

The government has admitted that as far as they are concerned, many of the increase in claims come from people who have long covid. And these people do exist. But somehow, the government knows they can’t be paid for so is gaslighting everyone into thinking they are imagining their symptoms.

NotenoughHolidays · 17/03/2025 11:32

So a lot of people are sick, we need to look at how we can improve that and help them, if possible, and it won't always be possible.

Clumsykitten · 17/03/2025 11:32

crumpet · 17/03/2025 11:05

Who says I knew names? GDPR would prevent that

You are claiming that in your daughter’s year that there weren’t “so many” children who had such needs. When I mentioned that you wouldn’t have known as another parent, you clarify this with your governor position. I am still stating that hidden disabilities exist and are no less disabling just because you didn’t know about them.

childofspace · 17/03/2025 11:32

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 11:31

Have we arrived at Godwin’s Law already?

As people say ‘if the cap fits’

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 11:33

childofspace · 17/03/2025 11:32

As people say ‘if the cap fits’

Yeah, you can’t shut down this incredibly crucial debate that easily. Call us what you like.

MidnightPatrol · 17/03/2025 11:33

Toastandbutterand · 17/03/2025 11:29

'Given the increased cost of business needs all workers will now have their salaries halved.

It's just not affordable anymore.'

Not fair is it? You did nothing wrong. It's not your fault. How are you supposed to live?

This is exactly what's happening to disabled people and your rhetoric is disgusting.

What is the ‘disgusting rhetoric’?

The number of people claiming disability and sickness benefits has grown significantly (in numbers of claims and value) in the last 5 years, to acknowledge that is not any kind of rhetoric.

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Ohthatsabitshit · 17/03/2025 11:34

Thoughtsonstuff · 17/03/2025 10:28

Sadly it's true. Boris started it unfortunately with indefinite leave to remain

What on earth do you mean? Boris Johnson did NOT start indefinite leave to remain. People have qualified for that for decades.

childofspace · 17/03/2025 11:34

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 11:33

Yeah, you can’t shut down this incredibly crucial debate that easily. Call us what you like.

I’m not trying to shut it down , it’s actually really helpful to keep it going as the more everyone expresses certain opinions the more obvious things become.

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 11:34

The claims are also virtually all for the same thing. ASD, ADHD, fibromyalgia and anxiety. All nebulous conditions without a physical test. That doesn’t help, I think.

BlueandWhitePorcelain · 17/03/2025 11:35

D23456789 · 17/03/2025 10:24

Agree @Resilience I know a disabled person who has been so harrassed by their manager that they developed a MH problem on top of their disability. The manager in question likes to pretend they're disability inclusive but in reality makes no adjustments whatsoever. And the person in question can't afford to take it further plus they're intimidated by the process of putting in a complaint. Its been shocking listening to this young man's experiences in his first job.

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ITA - DD has ADHD, depression, anxiety and OCD, as diagnosed by the NHS. She took the ADHD meds and antidepressants to enable her to work. She was the only graduate at her grade in the department and HR admitted she was the best; their key employee at her level. She was the most conscientious and the only one, who did her job properly - all her colleagues resented this, because they did the bare minimum, turned up late, didn’t comply with the official procedures, etc. DD asked for a few reasonable adjustments. The major company’s initial response was:

”This is not how we conduct our business!”

When she pointed out these were reasonable adjustments for a business of their size, as per The Equality Act, HR agreed to them. However, her manager would say after three weeks:

Why can’t you do this task, like everyone else?”

Her manager then wrote nasty emails about her to senior management - she told her colleagues subsequently, in her view, she could write whatever she liked about the staff, whether it was true or not! Everyone in the department, including her manager subjected DD to two years of workplace harassment and bullying, until she left. Basically, the manager was afraid to manage her team. (I know, because I supported DD in meetings with her manager, HR and the area manager, and read all the paperwork on DD in a subject access request)

Two years after leaving, with more severe mental health problems, including an admission as an inpatient, DD has been diagnosed with Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder over the workplace bullying, the most common cause of it apparently. She is awaiting an inpatient bed again, costing £500 a night - having been suicidal every day for the last 9 months. She’s on an antipsychotic (to relieve the anxiety), an antidepressant, a benzodiazepine (for the anxiety) and a beta blocker (to stop the physical symptoms of panic attacks).

She says there are structural barriers to employment for people with ADHD and/or mental health problems - the stigma, and companies don’t want to employ them, and can’t be bothered with reasonable adjustments. Until, the government enforces The Equality Act and sets quotas, instead of leaving the most vulnerable to enforce it individually at the employment tribunal, it is pointless people bleating on about people with mental health problems on benefits.

All the other patients in the inpatient unit, are there after being sectioned for psychosis. They are revolving door patients - they stay there for a few months until stable on regular medications, food and drink and are discharged. They are not even under The Community Mental Health Team on discharge - they don’t take their meds, eat or drink properly, and self neglect generally, until they deteriorate enough in a month or two, to be sectioned again. Then the whole cycle starts again. It is ludicrous to suggest these people could work reliably enough for an employer.

MidnightPatrol · 17/03/2025 11:35

kittensinthekitchen · 17/03/2025 11:31

7.4 million claims

1.2 million under 25s
4 million adults

Math ain't mathing. Unless the other alleged 2.2 million are animals?

4 million working age adults.

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icelolly12 · 17/03/2025 11:35

ChocolateLemons · 17/03/2025 08:49

Have you got first hand experience of the PIP process? It's horrendous

It's still preferable to working a 40 hour job at minimum wage. Realistically it's filling in a form (often with a support worker) and answering a telephone call saying what you can't do with examples. People know how to play the system unfortunately which of course isn't fair on those who are genuine. but some people will make a weekly GP appointment to moan about their pains as it is in effect their job to keep getting their benefits.

Thoughtsonstuff · 17/03/2025 11:35

childofspace · 17/03/2025 11:32

As people say ‘if the cap fits’

It's probably the opposite of Nazism tbf. Bearing in mind how they treated disabled people. We are by.contrast bankrupting the.country funding support for benefits etc. As mentioned £100billion just servicing our yearly debt.

anonhop · 17/03/2025 11:35

@childofspacei haven’t seen any hatred on this thread. I suspect you’re using this to deflect from the hard conversations

Fairyliz · 17/03/2025 11:35

childofspace · 17/03/2025 08:43

Well that just tells me that we are a sick nation and we need to look at the causes and improve the nhs. Only then will things improve if the root cause is identified and people helped with efficient and high quality healthcare !

Edited

Alternatively people could take care of their own health, eat healthily, stop smoking, stop taking drugs etc. 37% of cancers are caused by lifestyle factors, but it’s easier to blame lack of NHS resources than to change things.

childofspace · 17/03/2025 11:36

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 11:34

The claims are also virtually all for the same thing. ASD, ADHD, fibromyalgia and anxiety. All nebulous conditions without a physical test. That doesn’t help, I think.

To receive a diagnosis for ASD you have to have a very thorough assessment by more than one highly qualified professional. Children can’t fake their ADOS test results.

Thoughtsonstuff · 17/03/2025 11:36

anonhop · 17/03/2025 11:35

@childofspacei haven’t seen any hatred on this thread. I suspect you’re using this to deflect from the hard conversations

Presumably she is suggesting that the country is experimenting on disabled people or gassing them?

u3ername · 17/03/2025 11:36

childofspace · 17/03/2025 11:29

It’s very interesting to see how quickly hatred and resentment for one group of people in society can gain pace. Reminds me of something 🤔

Nobody is grouping together the genuine claimants with those who are playing the system.

Or did you mean united in our resentment for the fraudsters? I don’t think we are angry enough to be honest.

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