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7.4 million people claim some form of disability or incapacity benefits

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MidnightPatrol · 17/03/2025 08:15

Given the various back and forth of discussion on the reduction in disability and incapacity benefits, not much data on the debate has been shared - it’s a mainly emotional debate.

So for context, the figures:

  • 7.4 million people claim sickness benefits of some kind
  • The total number of claimants has increased by a third in five years (up 1.8 million)
  • 1 in 10 working age adults claims, and 1 in 12 school aged children
  • 1.2 million people aged under 25 claim sickness benefits, a rise of two thirds in 5 years - 1 in 15 claiming something
  • 4 million adults claim sickness benefit of some kind, up from 2.8 million in 2019. Two thirds of that increase is people under 50.
  • 2.5 million people claim UC health benefits, up 500k people this year alone - in 2019 less than 500k people claimed this
  • 1.8 million have no requirement to look for work
  • Sickness benefits for working age adults are expected to cost £70b by 2030 - a third of the cost of the NHS
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Frowningprovidence · 17/03/2025 13:36

WitchesCauldron · 17/03/2025 13:20

No to mention the free taxi service to and from school.

All children are entitled to school free transport if they go to thier closest suitable school and it's a certain distance away. (2 or 3 miles depending on age)

There is also a safety criteria on the walking route for all chikdren. And an additional safety one for a disabled child.

You really want to say all children can have free transport if they meet the criteria except disabled ones because theres not as many special schools?

childofspace · 17/03/2025 13:37

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 13:31

Let’s do a bit of broad brush maths to highlight the sums we’re talking. It’s not a few hundred quid here or there.

A family with 2 children both on DLA and in special school whose parents are out of work (v common set up around here) will get the following.

DLA - minimum of £800 pm for both (that’s if they don’t get the higher rate)
Carers - £320 pm
UC - Likely 1500-ish… if not more.
PIP for 1 parent - £400pm
Special school - £8,000 pm for both kids (ish)
Taxis - let’s say £500pm at the lowest end

That’s 11,500 per month. That’s £138,140 per year. On one family.

Of course, this is 1 type of case and 1 type of family. But there are a lot of families out there in pretty much exactly the scenario described above. Even taking away the special school and taxis, that’s £36,240.

Does this look remotely proportionate given people earning 23k will be taxed to contribute to this? And on a mass scale?

Why the comparison with what I assume is a family on 23 k with no disabilities? Disabilities cost more . Thats why the family with 2 dc on dla will get more and why is that wrong?

Also why the fixation with DLA on this thread the reforms are in relation to PIP and LCWRA or are you all trying to manifest DLA cuts as well. Keep on stirring that cauldron 😂

HornungTheHelpful · 17/03/2025 13:38

LuckyShark · 17/03/2025 08:30

Here is some data to add.

DLA middle rate care is £72.65 per week. That's what DC gets.

DC has to use nappies and pads, you get 5 per day on the NHS. Either/or
They go through at least 12 if not 15.

I pay £82 per week JUST on continence products.

Never mind the multiple changes of clothes, 2 wet beds a night, hundreds of days in hospital. 30 plus operations.

We are money down. Doing something wrong here obviously. Could you ask your overmaster what it is so we can be bashed some more please?

I think - gently - that this is not aimed at you.

But also there will be people who take the view that you should be grateful that you get anything. I don’t - but can you see that there is a middle ground, where the State absorbs some of the additional costs of your DC’s disability, which you are in? it may well be right that you should get more State support, but that has to come from somewhere.

Cutting down the number of people getting State support doesn’t mean that anyone thinks you shouldn’t get what you get, or more.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

vivainsomnia · 17/03/2025 13:38

Funny how nobody has any actual evidence of these people having successful claims with made up forms and no medical evidence
Oh I do, I very much do, but there's no point in talking about it because posters will predictably write:

  • How do you know they're not in massive pain when they are able to do what they claim they can't.
  • How do you know that every single other days you don't see them, they're not stuck in bed unable to get up?
  • How do you know that although they claim to be claustrophobic yet are still able to go to the pub, it's only because their partner comes with them...

So it's pointless as it just lead to justifying yourself as to what you do know.

Kirbert2 · 17/03/2025 13:39

Itsalljustinmyhead · 17/03/2025 13:31

Let’s do a bit of broad brush maths to highlight the sums we’re talking. It’s not a few hundred quid here or there.

A family with 2 children both on DLA and in special school whose parents are out of work (v common set up around here) will get the following.

DLA - minimum of £800 pm for both (that’s if they don’t get the higher rate)
Carers - £320 pm
UC - Likely 1500-ish… if not more.
PIP for 1 parent - £400pm
Special school - £8,000 pm for both kids (ish)
Taxis - let’s say £500pm at the lowest end

That’s 11,500 per month. That’s £138,140 per year. On one family.

Of course, this is 1 type of case and 1 type of family. But there are a lot of families out there in pretty much exactly the scenario described above. Even taking away the special school and taxis, that’s £36,240.

Does this look remotely proportionate given people earning 23k will be taxed to contribute to this? And on a mass scale?

What's the alternative? If a child needs to be in a special school then the care needs must be incredibly high.

My son has high rate care and mobility DLA but hasn't got a chance of going to a special school because he has no learning disability or behavioural issues yet he's also potentially too disabled for mainstream school too. We'll see when his EHCP is finalised if his school will accept him.

Funnywonder · 17/03/2025 13:40

Emanresuunknown · 17/03/2025 10:52

I'm honestly shocked you think it's right and normal that 1 in 12 children would be considered so severely disabled as to need financial support 😳😳

That's absolutely ridiculous. Some minor costs parents will simply have to hear for themselves, bit like if your child needs a bit of extra help to keep up in maths so you pay for some tutoring, there are lots of costs parents will have to find themselves. Some kids wear their shoes a year, others grid out of them constantly and their parents have to buy new all the time.
Some kids are fussier eaters and their parents end up perhaps with higher food costs.

Life isn't fair. The government can't afford to completely cover off every one of life's inequalities.

1 in 12 children in the UK is NOT severely disabled come on.

You really don’t have a bloody clue. My son has severe OCD. He has been known to discard several sets of clothing in one week due to what he sees as contamination. Ditto, bed clothes, towels, even remote controls. Sometimes things last longer, but it’s unpredictable. He stays in the shower for two hours at a time. He will only eat certain ‘safe’ foods out of packets. I could go on and on and on. He is 12. His world is now the size of his bed. Not even his bedroom. His bed. He can’t attend school. So guess what? I’m at home, caring for him. Day and night. Not earning the money to pay for these ‘minor costs.’ It’s a lot more complex than you think . This is just my situation. There’s much much worse. People whose children need equipment, carers, private therapy etc. I at least can look forward to a day when my son gets better. Many others are faced with stuff like this for life. Minor costs? Seriously, fuck right off with your ignorance.

vivainsomnia · 17/03/2025 13:41

It’s really interesting that you know this level of detail. I never once discussed DLA with the kids schools
Here we go! Even when someone has direct experience of parents over stating what their kids are able to do, their expertise is questioned.

If it doesn't fit the narrative, it can only be a lie, but the ther way around is always the truth!

Careertimenow · 17/03/2025 13:43

MidnightPatrol · 17/03/2025 11:47

Or - you could say her perspective is interesting, given she works with children with SEN and doesn’t think they require additional funding at home for their needs?

That's what sickens me about the system how freely professionals throw around the word neurodivergent. I couldn't believe my daughter's ex friend claimed disability benefits for having special needs it's a free for all. I am classed as disabled I am hearing impaired I wouldn't dream of asking for disability benefits for it I have too much pride to get into that. We are nannied in this country and it's unsustainable.

MidnightPatrol · 17/03/2025 13:44

Funnywonder · 17/03/2025 13:40

You really don’t have a bloody clue. My son has severe OCD. He has been known to discard several sets of clothing in one week due to what he sees as contamination. Ditto, bed clothes, towels, even remote controls. Sometimes things last longer, but it’s unpredictable. He stays in the shower for two hours at a time. He will only eat certain ‘safe’ foods out of packets. I could go on and on and on. He is 12. His world is now the size of his bed. Not even his bedroom. His bed. He can’t attend school. So guess what? I’m at home, caring for him. Day and night. Not earning the money to pay for these ‘minor costs.’ It’s a lot more complex than you think . This is just my situation. There’s much much worse. People whose children need equipment, carers, private therapy etc. I at least can look forward to a day when my son gets better. Many others are faced with stuff like this for life. Minor costs? Seriously, fuck right off with your ignorance.

This sounds very challenging.

But - kindly - do you think 2 pupils in every class have this level of need?

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vivainsomnia · 17/03/2025 13:45

Funny how nobody has any actual evidence of these people having successful claims with made up forms and no medical evidence
There's medical evidence and medical evidence.

Medical practitioners have taken oath that they will always consider what their patients tell them to be the truth. Their notes will reflect what their patients tells them.

If a parents tells a paediatrician that their child wakes up every hour and need their parent to help them get back to sleep, that what they will write, even if this is the perception of the parent due to the exhaustion, but the reality is the child wakes up 2 or 3 times and will go back to sleep alone half of the time.

Kirbert2 · 17/03/2025 13:45

vivainsomnia · 17/03/2025 13:41

It’s really interesting that you know this level of detail. I never once discussed DLA with the kids schools
Here we go! Even when someone has direct experience of parents over stating what their kids are able to do, their expertise is questioned.

If it doesn't fit the narrative, it can only be a lie, but the ther way around is always the truth!

Because DLA isn't just about what a parent says on the form.

You can't just say ''Johnny is a flight risk and needs constant supervision'' and they just say ok then and throw high rate DLA at his parents.

Medical evidence is needed.

BlueandWhitePorcelain · 17/03/2025 13:46

MidnightPatrol · 17/03/2025 11:35

4 million working age adults.

If you look at Mencap’s website, you will see it says 2.5% of children have learning disabilities and 2.16% of adults do. The population is supposed to be 68,300,000. If we take, for arguments sake 68,300,000 x 2.16%, we get 1,475,000 approximately. I imagine the majority of children or adults will be claiming DLA/PIP, and adults will be claiming UC/ESA. I suspect only a token few adults with LD are able to get a job, which is likely to be NMW anyway.

If adults with LD alive with their family, they have to pay for any care and support from Social Services, out of their benefits, leaving them with about £26 per week for all other expenses like clothes, entertainment, holidays, a tv, etc. Likewise, if they live in a care home funded by Social Services, Social Services can take all their UC/ESA to pay for their care, except for the £26 a week. Therefore any cuts to UC/ESA for severely disabled people, unable to work, will impact directly pound for pound on the Adult Social Services budget - as Social Services will have to make up the cut in benefits, by paying more to the care providers themselves.

Likewise, severely disabled adults in supported living are expected to claim housing benefit to pay their rent, and claim UC/ESA and PIP to pay their living expenses. Social Services prefer this to funding care home places, because they pay all the hotel costs for a care home, but only pay for the care package in supported living, as the service user pays their own hotel costs (there is no real difference to the tax payer, as it just a question of government versus local authority funding). Local authorities are trying to move all disabled working age adults from care homes to supported living, because it saves them millions in hotel costs.

If benefits are cut for the most severely disabled, who will never be able to work, how are local authorities going to persuade families, their relative can move from a care home, into supported living, when the families realise their relative cannot pay the hotel costs? They will either starve or freeze to death. They are just going to refuse!

If I were a carer getting approximately £80 a week carer’s allowance, and was using disabled DC’s benefits to fund the household’s living expenses, and these were cut, so the household was going to starve or freeze to death, I’d ask Social Services to accommodate disabled DC, so I could go out get a job, pension contributions, promotion prospects and respite!

Cuts by central government in benefits equals increased costs for Social Services for a substantial minority of disabled adults of working age in need of social care, because they are too disabled to ever work. No real savings for tax payers!

PinkPonyPugClub · 17/03/2025 13:46

Careertimenow · 17/03/2025 13:43

That's what sickens me about the system how freely professionals throw around the word neurodivergent. I couldn't believe my daughter's ex friend claimed disability benefits for having special needs it's a free for all. I am classed as disabled I am hearing impaired I wouldn't dream of asking for disability benefits for it I have too much pride to get into that. We are nannied in this country and it's unsustainable.

I can't pay for things in pride.

Having a disability makes life more expensive, and can limit your income. These benefits go towards redressing that balance.

528htz · 17/03/2025 13:47

anniegun · 17/03/2025 13:22

A big chunk of the increase are for 60+ people who would previously have received state pension earlier so not be eligible for out of work benefits

Yes, this sounds realistic. For many people, physical problems accelerate during the late 50s and early 60s and could quite easily become a disability, particularly if they're not receiving nhs treatment because it's so restricted and dysfunctional. Dh is 63 and has enough money to have retired already, but his general health and ability has massively declined since he started on statins. I've read up on it and they can have this effect. He has to be on them due to family history, but he's like an old man now, has pain, loss of strength and has been injuring his joints etc. and is constantly tired and washed out.

Kirbert2 · 17/03/2025 13:48

vivainsomnia · 17/03/2025 13:45

Funny how nobody has any actual evidence of these people having successful claims with made up forms and no medical evidence
There's medical evidence and medical evidence.

Medical practitioners have taken oath that they will always consider what their patients tell them to be the truth. Their notes will reflect what their patients tells them.

If a parents tells a paediatrician that their child wakes up every hour and need their parent to help them get back to sleep, that what they will write, even if this is the perception of the parent due to the exhaustion, but the reality is the child wakes up 2 or 3 times and will go back to sleep alone half of the time.

It is well known that DLA doesn't like ''mum says'' evidence for that very reason.

For sleep issues, they prefer evidence such as school may notice the child looks tired/is falling to sleep in class.

TiredYetExhausted · 17/03/2025 13:51

Wecantkeepthisup · 17/03/2025 11:42

Thank you for starting this thread.

I work in a SEN school for children with moderate learning difficulties. Over 50% of our children are awarded DLA of £184.30 per WEEK. Then the parents get £81.90 per WEEK carers allowance. £266.20 per WEEK.

DLA is awarded because children don't walk safely with their parents when out and about (but can with us on our weekly school trips) and occasionally need supervision overnight when the child wakes up and refuses to go back to sleep.

This is just my school of 140 pupils. It's repeated across the country. Parents know what to say to be awarded DLA. And that's just DLA for children.

It's not sustainable.

This is 100% inaccurate. You should rethink your career choice. The needs criteria for High Rate DLA in children, which is what you describe in your post, amounts to far far more than just needing a bit of help getting back to sleep.
My son is 8, and has severe disabilities diagnosed by multiple professionals.
Honestly, I'm embarrassed for you. Perhaps time to request some further training from the 'Sen school' you work at.
Life for carers of children with severe disabilities is really fucking hard. And endless. And thankless. As someone who claims to work with children with Sen, your lack of empathy and understanding is shocking.

Bumpitybumper · 17/03/2025 13:52

Kirbert2 · 17/03/2025 13:45

Because DLA isn't just about what a parent says on the form.

You can't just say ''Johnny is a flight risk and needs constant supervision'' and they just say ok then and throw high rate DLA at his parents.

Medical evidence is needed.

Doctors do not carry out surveillance work to prove that what you're telling them is correct. If you say to them that you aren't sleeping, have high levels of anxiety when leaving the house etc then how could they disprove what you're saying? They obviously can't! It would be a very brave doctor to accuse someone of lying about these things and on what basis could they even begin to make these accusations?

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Careertimenow · 17/03/2025 13:54

PinkPonyPugClub · 17/03/2025 13:46

I can't pay for things in pride.

Having a disability makes life more expensive, and can limit your income. These benefits go towards redressing that balance.

What about a second job or become self employed alongside your stable job. You may be able to earn more as a beautician on the side for example.

childofspace · 17/03/2025 13:55

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Terrifying isn’t it

Goldengamer · 17/03/2025 13:58

I think the government should have a big push into getting more employers to accept those with certain disabilities and make suitable jobs for them . A big crackdown is needed on fraud as it does go on. I know of a few who are milking the system and getting benefits they are not entitled to. They have even boasted to me on how they do it, makes me sick , and unfair to all the genuine claimants out there

whatsthatBout · 17/03/2025 13:58

Omg are people actually mentioning the cost for special needs schools??

Have you seen the AMOUNT of threads on here where people are furious about a child with SEN in their kids mainstream school class? For being disruptive or violent etc.

Lots of insistence that they should not be there if they are affecting other children’s education. Fair enough. But that means special school placements! And often transport.

Unless we just think these children have no rights to be at any school and should just be shut away.

Kirbert2 · 17/03/2025 13:59

Bumpitybumper · 17/03/2025 13:52

Doctors do not carry out surveillance work to prove that what you're telling them is correct. If you say to them that you aren't sleeping, have high levels of anxiety when leaving the house etc then how could they disprove what you're saying? They obviously can't! It would be a very brave doctor to accuse someone of lying about these things and on what basis could they even begin to make these accusations?

I'm talking about DLA because that's the personal experience I have. I can't speak for pip because I'm not sure how similar/different it is to DLA when applying for it.

So for my son, it was far from just one doctor. I had medical evidence from several medical professionals to back up what I said on the DLA form.

AlexP24 · 17/03/2025 13:59

All these people on here in their middle class bubble ('but no one falsely claims benefits'). Must be nice to live in your land...in the real world, everyone knows loads of people take the piss and claim benefits when they don't need to.

I know a fair few parents claiming Disability Living Allowance for their child's ADHD diagnosis. All the kids are in mainstream school, get absolutely no additional help whatsoever, parents are simply pocketing £400 a month or thereabouts. So what is the money for?

Basically there is a whole load of parents who have got a private diagnosis of ADHD for their child just because of the money. And yes, it is easy to get a private diagnosis and yes you can use it to get DLA.

Scamming the system happens, it's real, and if you are denying it happens, you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

I applaud Labour for trying to stop it all TBH.

dialfor · 17/03/2025 13:59

vivainsomnia · 17/03/2025 13:41

It’s really interesting that you know this level of detail. I never once discussed DLA with the kids schools
Here we go! Even when someone has direct experience of parents over stating what their kids are able to do, their expertise is questioned.

If it doesn't fit the narrative, it can only be a lie, but the ther way around is always the truth!

The comment I responded to was about someone who worked in a SEN school saying they knew the figures about how many of those children got what awards. It was nothing to do with parents overstating Confused

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