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The link between poverty and domestic abuse. Why?

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Kindyeah · 28/02/2025 15:52

I read a report which says that research consistently points to there being a link between the most deprived in society and domestic abuse. But I can’t see why.

I understand, of course, that deprivation increases the likelihood of depression etc. But I don’t believe that men are more likely to abuse women if they’re poorer. Surely it’s all about control? Why would richer men be less likely to abuse? Is it actually true, or is it that poorer women who leave abusive relationships are more likely to need the help of the Council, refuges, social services etc so they get picked up more, whilst richer women have the financial wherewithal to be able to leave and set themselves up without any outside involvement?

Would be really interested to hear from women who know more about this than me.

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Crushed23 · 28/02/2025 18:42

Why would there be any less unreported emotional abuse and coercive control in poorer households? I can understand bruises and physical damage being relatively easy to spot by neighbours, but are neighbours reporting financial abuse, stonewalling, checking messages etc. to the police?

Why is the supposed epidemic of non-physical domestic abuse assumed to predominantly be in affluent households?

AquaPeer · 28/02/2025 18:44

The idea of poverty is being misused here too. Living in a flat or terraced house doesn’t mean you live in poverty. Poverty is a specific situation

NeverDropYourMooncup · 28/02/2025 18:53

AquaPeer · 28/02/2025 18:37

How do you know all this when you haven’t seen the data the OP is talking about?

Good question.

if it's this, then it's limited by self reporting and the attrition rate.

https://journals.lww.com/epidem/fulltext/2020/03000/long_term_exposure_to_neighborhood_deprivation_and.16.aspx

An earlier report was funded by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/128551400/JRF_DV_POVERTY_REPORT_FINAL_COPY_.pdf

SunshineAndFizz · 28/02/2025 19:15

@AquaPeer I agree, there's no one group of people who are born less intelligent. However, cognitive development can be impacted by a persons surroundings and their upbringing - as a very basic example a child who is read to every night compared to one that never is. Our environment forms and shapes us.

mathanxiety · 28/02/2025 19:16

Crushed23 · 28/02/2025 18:16

This post sums it up perfectly.

No one is saying highly emotionally intelligent people can't be abusers, but the way some on this thread are jumping over themselves to tell us there's an epidemic of unreported domestic abuse in affluent circles that would swing the stats in the opposite direction is ridiculous. (More affluent women 'wouldn't trouble the authorities'? Really?)

An epidemic?

No, but equal proportions - perhaps.

Are there statistics on emotional or psychological abuse, financial abuse, or coercive control? All of those forms of abuse can be contributory factors in divorce or household breakup.

A high proportion of marriages in the UK end in divorce. It is hard to calculate the number of unofficial partnerships that end in separation. Breakdown of relationships happens across all levels of society. The assumption that a portion of the breakdown of relationships is due to abuse of some kind is very likely true. How big a portion is hard to determine.

Domestic abuse is about beliefs and values, not stress.

If it is caused by the circumstances of poverty, are there stressed poor men punching other people they interact with on a regular basis? Raging and calling names? Are there stressed poor women out there punching holes in the walls of post offices or doctors' waiting rooms, etc? Kicking other people's pets?

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 28/02/2025 19:18

As the old saying goes, when poverty comes in through the door, love flies out of the window.

mathanxiety · 28/02/2025 19:18

DelphiniumBlue · 28/02/2025 17:28

I think that men who feel they are not in control of their own lives like to control someone else and feel superior to them.

Abuse of women by men is about beliefs and values held by men about themselves and about women.

These beliefs exist separately from economic circumstances and life stresses. They are held across all tiers of society.

verycloakanddaggers · 28/02/2025 19:21

Why are you even asking this question? The more money you have the eaiser it is to leave at the early signs of bad treatment.

MorrisZapp · 28/02/2025 19:38

There's a link between poverty and all kinds of violence. Think of rough pubs. Where are they? Football thugs, knife crime, gang violence etc don't generally have their roots in affluent areas.

Buscake · 28/02/2025 20:14

RE intelligence.

I have recently left a 20+ year DV relationship. My ex is a Dr, I have an undergrad degree and a masters. I had no idea the prison I had walked into and no understanding of the depths of the abuse. I beat myself up every day for not having seen it, for being so stupid. But when I look at other women there is no way I would characterise them in that way regardless of any iq or qualifications. Intelligence has nothing to do with it - perpetrating abuse is a choice.

Kindyeah · 28/02/2025 20:53

Lavender14 · 28/02/2025 17:46

I've worked with the wives of judges, teachers, social workers, community workers, solicitors, police, clergy, successful business owners. Very emotionally intelligent, "pillars of their communities", social chameleon type of men. Very well educated and most definitely intelligent who are well able to manage conflict. Who have a deep need for control. The key here is that domestic abuse is INTENTIONAL, its not something someone does by accident or mistake or because they're to stupid or unaware. They're doing it because they want to, because they can and they're doing it on purpose. I can honestly say in all the years of listening to women tell me about the horrors they've endured I've never once heard a story that didn't have some element to it that let me know that the guy was in complete control of himself when he was doing what he was doing. Whether it was the positioning of brusing to avoid visible body parts, stopping halfway through to go out with his mates and then coming home to continue, stopping in the middle of an assault to close the window and getting a pillow for her to scream into. Always, always in control and knowing exactly what they were doing. Until we as a society recognise that key aspect of domestic abuse we will keep letting women down via the "he couldn't help it" narrative- he couldn't help not having the emotional intelligence, he couldn't help being angry, he couldn't help the effect of the drink... none of that keeps men as accountable as they should be.

Exactly! Of course they can help it. It’s not a loss of control. This is what led to my question.

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Kindyeah · 28/02/2025 20:56

JohnofWessex · 28/02/2025 18:41

My ex wife went to public school and had a First but had an interesting track record of DV both as a perp and allegedly a victim.

Both my brothers work in Aviation and my middle son when younger (about 8) used to like watching Air Crash Investigation, which my wife & I had to watch first just in case there was anything he might not like.

I have also read The Heat of the Moment by Dr Sabrina Cohen-Hatton.

OK so whats the relevance? Well Air Accident Investigators were early users of 'Human Factors' and 'The Heat of the moment' is about the authors life and career as a fire fighter, its also about 'human factors on firefighting'

So if you are poor you end up under constant stress, this means that you have less ability to deal with the sort of everyday odure life throws at you. So when something comes up that you need to react to its more likley that you will not be able to act appropriately which either means you do something that gets you into trouble or doesnt help the situation.

You only have to watch 'Chav Camera Action' to see this happen.

Also Martin Lewis is talking about the links between poverty and mental health

Domestic abusers aren’t reacting though. They know exactly what they’re doing.

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Kindyeah · 28/02/2025 20:58

verycloakanddaggers · 28/02/2025 19:21

Why are you even asking this question? The more money you have the eaiser it is to leave at the early signs of bad treatment.

This is a very naive view of domestic abuse. It’s insidious.

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user1471453601 · 28/02/2025 21:09

If you take all power from someone, social and financial and give them only one power outlet (physical power over someone smaller than them) after showing them that men MUST be powerful or they are less than nothing, what do you expect?

And this is in no way an abusers charter. Poverty is still no excuse for abuse. Poor women are less likely to abuse than poor men.

Society seems to be, to me, a bit skewed. Instead of doing what's morally right, sometimes we seem to be encouraged to do what makes us feel powerful and "better than".

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