Thread 18 Starmer: All sides of the House agree apart from the Trump bootlickers

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It's all about Konstantin K and his assertion last week, if you are not familiar with him you can try out his podcast, Triggernometry.

Which is fair to say, not very left wing. YMMV

Thanks for the recommendation @bombastix. I’ll remember that next time my blood pressure dips.

Must say I laughed at Fraser Nelson being described as 'formerly of this parish' - he's not Conservative enough for Braverman's taste. Very few people seem to be.

She is suggesting there should be a definition of Englishness and complains that people are too squeamish to do so but also doesnt want to do that herself.

The original query re Nelson and KK touched on whether Rishi Sunak could be considered English.
All rather distasteful.

For too long, we have treated nationality and citizenship casually and as interchangeable concepts, unwilling to confront the deeper cultural issues. I said years ago that multiculturalism had failed. We are now living in the wreckage of that failure. Our identity crisis is the result of decades of neglect, complacency, and cowardice. We have allowed what once made England distinctive to be diluted, denigrated, and demonised. Now, more than ever, we must define what it is we are fighting for – before it slips away entirely.

Well go on then, Suella. Have a go!

What a stupid piece of nonsense.

I said years ago that multiculturalism had failed. We are now living in the wreckage of that failure.

Well, if anyone could be blamed for the failure of multiculturalism (assuming that we all agree that it's failed, of course ), I'd suggest that she has a look at herself and her own party.

I said years ago that multiculturalism had failed

Says the daughter of immigrants who became an MP and Home Secretary.

Who the fuck is swallowing this garbage so uncritically.

I'm not blaming multiculturalism but Braverman is the definition of someone who was elevated far far beyond her abilities. There were a lot of them who thought, correctly as it turned out, that Brexit would be a good career move.

Johnson's third raters. They are still with us. One of them is leading the Conservative Party.

They are truly a party of all talents

Why is the BBC doing live reporting on the disgusting tates

I'm following the UK charm offensive (hem hem) on the US.

Which if the result is the UK escapes the "mad talk" strategy of Trump is okay with me. Clearly he likes utterly terrifying people to see what they do or generating panicked responses.

I wonder if we will see a reverse (and very very very under-reported) brain drain from the US ? Only months after some (rather unpleasant) crowing from the media about people "fleeing" the UK.

https://www.tiktok.com/@mike_galsworthy/video/7475485080643947798?_r=1&_t=ZN-8uGNCHhjIXe

I am hoping that having Peter Mandelson advising is giving the UK a fighting chance.

Weirdly I find myself wishing Harold Wilson was around.

Interesting thought. But I would think Canada is easier.

Brainy Americans come to the UK - our salaries are not very competitive but then we don't have to spend on healthcare to the same level. And the work is world class in a lot of fields so there is that.

Immigration stats are out.

As predicted: sharp decreases everywhere except boats.

Work visas down 37% including down by 81% (eighty one percent) for Health & Social Care Worker visas specifically.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-december-2024/summary-of-latest-statistics#how-many-people-come-to-the-uk

And much less chance of your child being killed in a high school massacre.

Quite interesting stats on study visas. The "Boriswave" really was true.

How the Conservatives can ever claim to have controlled a border is beyond me. It's such a terrible lie.

How the Conservatives can ever claim to have controlled a border is beyond me. It's such a terrible lie.

But - like being "the party of business" - it's what people are programmed to believe. As another thread running at the moment shows (I'll leave it to others to guess which one) peoples critical thinking is not only shit, but when challenged rather than say "yes, I wasn't thinking properly (if at all)" they justify by saying "well everyone one else does it".

And then we wonder why productivity is so poor.

Me too.😂

Yes lived and studied in France under Erasmus, a scheme she helped make sure no one else could have...

😂😂

She currently up in arms because the government may buy a local new estate to house asylum seekers and she's horrified!!!

Ignoring the fact they've all been living in hotels for years due to her governments actions (or lack of).

If I didn't have to refrain due to professional conduct I'd reply to her SM with "how many does it house? More or less than Rwanda" 👀😆

😂

The sentence that confused me the most was the one about preserving British values and English culture, why just English culture, what about the rest of Britain? English Heritage preserves the castles so it's not a total lost cause. Sometimes you see the St George's flag, an off white, limply hanging out of a window when a football supporter has forgotten to take them down a year on from a world/European football tournament, I suppose that is preservation of a kind...

Why is she so determined to pigeonhole herself. I am English but I have Danish family on one side of the family, does this mean I am not truly English 😱

I suspect very few of us are truly English in Suella's eyes. Like many, I only have to go back 2 or 3 generations to find Welsh and Irish ancestry. And let's not forget (cough,cough) our very 'English' Royal family and the centuries of royal "immigrants"!

Yes, me too.

My sixth former son got me interested in Joe Politics which I feel too old for but he now doesn't bother with it as he said he only wants to listen to podcasts if the people are experienced politicians or commentators like the Rest is Politics! Also, he tells me it's more important to listen to what the audience of Question Time have to say, to understand what the 'real people' feel!😁

She is such a bullshit merchant and should have been sacked by Sunak for her neo Powellite endorsement of Tommy Robinson's ruck makers at the Cenotaph and her two tier policing comments.

To me, she is everything that is wrong with UK politics. Endlessly rewarded for incompetence and promoting division. Sunak was too gutless to sack her and Johnson revelled in her lawless ideas,

I suspect she was the unnamed Cabinet minister Simon Hart refers to in his book.