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Do you know your full Terms and Conditions before signing a work contract?

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Elendel · 14/02/2025 05:30

Just wondering what's normal in other jobs, on the back of something I've read elsewhere and a colleague who is currently being adversely affected by Ts and Cs they had presumed were written one way, but turned out to be another.

Teachers used to have very well-defined Terms and Conditions, which included defined working days (195 of those, and a defined amount of directed hours within them), details on pay progression, pension, sick pay, maternity and paternity leave, leave of absence, notice periods and pay for things like interviews, medical appointments, ill children, pay portability and so on.

Thus, interviews and changing schools was historically straight-forward, you accepted the job offer on the day of the interview, knowing exactly what your working T&Cs would be, and a contract would arrive within the first 2 months of you having started the job.

These days, it is still expected that teachers accept the job offer on the day, and contracts still take a long while to arrive (usually well after the deadline by which you would have had to hand in your notice in your current school). The job application pack states some working conditions, like your expected role, but never includes information on full T&Cs, and those are not provided on interview, either. You now typically negotiate pay, but it would be seen as incredibly odd if you tried to discuss all of the above at interview (and if you asked about leave of absence conditions I doubt it'd work in your favour).

But T&Cs are now up to individual schools and MATs. Thus, you are expected to accept a job offer and hand in your notice at your current school pretty blind to what your new working conditions are actually going to be. If you refuse to accept until you have seen your full contract and policies, the job offer will go to another candidate.

A fair few people are now being stung by this. A colleague found out that mat leave was SMP only. Another went to interview elsewhere and found out they lost pay as interview days were not counted as paid leave. Another needed to be off sick for 3 months after an operation only to find out that 2 of them were SSP only.

So I'm interested. How does it work in other sectors? Do you know your full T&Cs before you accept a job offer? How long do you have to decide between a job offer and the deadline? Do you get a contract before you accept a job, and before you can hand in your notice?

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Elendel · 14/02/2025 06:32

I guess I am trying to work out whether it's unreasonable to know what to expect before agreeing to a new job?

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Wigtopia · 14/02/2025 06:34

You can agree in principle but explain that this is subject to the contract and that you won’t be handing in your notice until you have signed. Not a teacher, but that is how I have always played it with any job.

Elendel · 14/02/2025 06:42

I guess it's easier to do that when your notice period is much shorter. How much notice do you need to give, and can you start a new job at any time? We're still tied to only 3 specific notice dates in the year, so at one point it can take as long as 6 months from handing in your notice to starting a new job.

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Wigtopia · 14/02/2025 07:03

Yes, can start and leave at anytime in the year so that does change things somewhat. Notice period is 3 months.

IdleIdleIdle · 14/02/2025 07:14

The kinds of things you mention- like maternity or sick pay - haven't ever appeared in one of my work contracts. They're always in separate policies which the contract directs you to. But I'm not a teacher.

Elendel · 14/02/2025 17:18

IdleIdleIdle · 14/02/2025 07:14

The kinds of things you mention- like maternity or sick pay - haven't ever appeared in one of my work contracts. They're always in separate policies which the contract directs you to. But I'm not a teacher.

So did you know exactly hat you signed up for? I'm just trying to understand what is normal; some jobs seem to list all the benefits that come with them, like enhanced mat pay or number of days of annual leave.

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