Feeling sad about my adopted country

[Ilovegermany]

Yet again, people run down by a car in Germany. He overtook the police car at the back of the demonstration.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cd9x22dj423t

The Germans I know are so sad about this but they are also fed up that it is people that aren’t German that are doing things. It’s like the feeling in the UK before the Brexit vote (something I couldn’t vote on when it impacted me, as I had been out of the country too long), that immigrants are making things bad in the country.
However, I think this is worse than Brexit. There is a general election here in 10 days. This is going to sway the vote so much. I’m scared that this country will vote for the AfD now. I don’t know how this will change things for me - will they change the law that I can no longer have German citizenship, which I have already applied for and am waiting for it to come through.
I cannot vote and I hear friends and acquaintances saying they are fed up with all the foreigners. I point out that I’m a foreigner too, they say I’m not, because I work and contribute to society and that I am European too and Brexit was a big mistake.

Have you been asleep for the last month?

No, HTH.

Sadly those are a lot less newsworthy.

I have lived in Germany since 1988.
These incidents are happening more frequently, but you need to understand that the last language I hear, when I go into my nearest large town/city, is German.
Make of that what you will.

I think that when you move to another country you have a moral obligation to treat that country and its citizens well. If a native of the country in question commits a terrible crime, well, yes it's terrible but that person shouldn't be any other country's problem. And maybe it merits some self reflection about whether that person could have been prevented from doing what they did by better education/social services/mental health support. Because a lot of things that shouldn't happen need to have happened in order for someone who was once an innocent newborn baby to turn into a cold blooded killer.

But when that person has come from somewhere else, already committed crimes, been ordered to leave the country, not actually been deported, and then gone on to commit even worse crimes, it's not hard to understand why people are thinking, "He shouldn't have been here. And if he hadn't been here my daughter/sister/friend would still be alive and well."

It wouldn't fit the agenda ( that non-white asylum seekers are rapists and killers.

How much outrage for the Swedish white man that goes on a killing spree, it got a days worth coverage, then nothing. No 'lessons learnt' no 'national inquiry' no soul searching how we got ourselves in this situation.No speech by Farage or tweet by Musk...Nowt.

So how do we root out the bad ones?
Or do we just let people in and accept any deaths as collateral damage?

Oh but she really disgracefully is.

I'm just fed up of refugees and asylum seekers being collectively labelled as terrorists.

I'm fed up of innocent people & children getting killed & injured by terrorists....

No it isn't hard to understand.

We don't round up white men because some rape, or some kill people in random mass shootings do we?

How do we root out the bad ones? Fucks sake....

I agree with this, yes. Furthermore, implying that the vast majority of refugees are "good people" goes in the same direction. Is the status of refugee a moral garanty of the "goodness" of an individual? We need to have ethical policies in place to help people fleeing wars and conflict, of course, but we need to see them as fully humans with intrinsical dignity: neither evil sauvages, nor the sacred cast.

That said, I understand and empatize with @cassandre 's feelings about this (very complex) issue.

Very good points

I feel really sorry for Ukraine at the moment, especially so if the AfD get in. It's so frustrating that the failure of mainstream parties to address basic issues and to stick up for the lives of their own voters has allowed the likes of Trump and Reform to steal a march.

OP. She's not been back has she. Maybe she's off driving cars into people. After all, she's an immigrant in Germany and apparently according to this thread that's what immigrants do.

Good post

Not as funny and smart as you think

Are white men driving vans into groups of people too? There were two attacks of that kind in Germany alone, just in the last six months. Not to mention the countless stabbings.
Hardly anyone is saying all refugees are violent, but if you look at the recent cases in Germany (Mannheim, Solingen, Aschaffenburg, Magdeburg, Munich), sadly many random attacks on strangers have been committed by men from particular backgrounds. To ignore it is just disingenuous.

Do you really think that if a white man drove his car into a group of people it wouldn’t be reported on because it “wouldn’t fit the narrative”?
The Swedish man who went on a killing spree was on the news. Just like Anders Breivik had been.
I can also imagine that if it attacks committed by, say, Swedish men against immigrants became a regular thing it would definitely be reported on and cause an outrage.

So I wasn’t back because I was partaking in that German tradition of Aufguss and left my phone at the Sauna and only just got it back.

Yes I am middle class and white, I only live in Germany because I can no longer afford to buy a house in the country I work in.

I was just commenting on how it makes my white German friends feel and how it scares me for the future of this country, but I also know Syrians and other nationalities that are working hard and trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. Many working in local restaurants, one currently studying to be a nurse. And they all speak more languages than me and learnt German quicker than me because they can go on State funded courses - which I could not because I have a job.

Germany supports immigrants very well and Angela Merkel showed a lot of compassion for people that could not stay in their home country because of war or oppression. But for some reason, when someone is asylum seeking and commits crime the authorities have not been able to deport them. That is where the main problem is.

I haven’t said anything against immigrants because I am one and point this out to my German friends.

It is wrong for anyone, no matter what their skin colour, nationality is to drive into groups of people, but because of where this man came from, I believe it will make the Germans vote differently and that is what scares me.

This is the problem. I'm so angry. There's no need for deaths like this

https://news.sky.com/story/boy-14-dies-after-five-stabbed-in-austria-13310330

That's the problem in Germany, France, Sweden and properly many other countries in Europe.
And you are naive if people don't react.