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What would you have said (re covid vaccines)

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greyweek · 30/12/2024 10:00

I've just had a video chat with a friend that lives quite far. We do talk on the phone once or twice a month but haven't seen each other (or video called) for ages.
I was telling her about dh having pain in his leg and how he was prescribed antibiotics and was told its inflammation. I told her we were worried that it might be blood clots/ deep vein thrombosis but it was ruled out. The backstory is he had op a few weeks ago and he is on anticoagulants that have been played around with a lot because of the op. She knows that as I've told her before.
Anyway, as soon as I said blood clots she started reminding me that we have had the Astra zeneca vaccine. That she knows so and so that is struggling with blood clots as a result. That even though it has been a few years, it's always going to stay in our body...
I was too gobsmacked to come up with a reply other than its inflammation not blood clots after all.

During the covid years she didn't have the vaccines as she didn't want it to 'change her genome'. I was also shocked when she said that back then and it had cooled off our relationship as her opinion was too different than mine. She now has this attitude of I was right and you made this huge mistake and you have to live with it...

I don't just moan to her about dh in our chats. I do listen to the things she has to say, etc. She is someone who is there to help if needed (not sure if because of empathy or just people pleasing though as she often ends up feeling used.)

Anyway, it was one of those conversations where I felt I should have said something in response, but didn't want to affect our friendship.

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greyweek · 30/12/2024 13:23

It made me realise that not everybody has moved on, leaving differences of opinion behind, accepting that everybody did what they thought was best.
There are people among my friends and family who are actually still waiting for their moment to say they were right and you were the mindless sheep following orders or whatever...

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MiddleagedBeachbum · 30/12/2024 13:28

You know they call it the clot shot for a reason….. equally so, I wouldn’t share that with anyone who was talking about their or their loved ones ill health…. I’d just think it!

MiddleagedBeachbum · 30/12/2024 13:30

greyweek · 30/12/2024 13:23

It made me realise that not everybody has moved on, leaving differences of opinion behind, accepting that everybody did what they thought was best.
There are people among my friends and family who are actually still waiting for their moment to say they were right and you were the mindless sheep following orders or whatever...

I know people like this….. I think it’s because there was so much pressure and stigma to get them, if you didn’t you were shunned and many people were ostracised / abused / lost jobs etc because of not getting them.
It was honestly horrific, so I see why some people have held onto resentment.

Personally - I just did what I thought was best for me, and took no notice of what other people thought!

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greyweek · 30/12/2024 13:42

MiddleagedBeachbum · 30/12/2024 13:28

You know they call it the clot shot for a reason….. equally so, I wouldn’t share that with anyone who was talking about their or their loved ones ill health…. I’d just think it!

You'd think that today, years after somebody has had it?

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Notgoodatpoetrybutgreatatlit · 30/12/2024 14:03

There have always been people who are sceptical of the benefits of vaccination. The Internet has amplified their views I think.
There are also a lot of people who think vaccines are a vital health care tool.
Just after we reopened schools post covid, I was doing some 20th century history with year 9, sort of general revision. We came across an interesting picture of some British soldiers, very young conscripts in 1916. They were all grinning and showing off their upper arms. There was a small boy with them who was a sort of mascot. They were showing off their jab marks. I think it was for typhoid. They were off to fight on the western front and they knew from barracks gossip and news reports that they were more likely to die of disease than enemy attacks.
We had a bit of a discussion about attitudes to risk.
The kids by the way had the exact same pro and anti vax views as the community they came from. So many of them didn't have the covid jab. I'm no scientist but as a historian I do have a decent grasp of statistics and I have read a lot about risk. And as someone who has the flu jab every year I wish vaccines did last for many years then I wouldn't have to have it so often I loathe injections.
And I agree your friend wasn't being a good friend.

Maddy70 · 30/12/2024 19:08

Shmee1988 · 30/12/2024 11:59

Just out of interest, can you explain how you came to the conclusion that the benefits largely outweighed the risks?

You know how pandemics work right?

Shmee1988 · 30/12/2024 19:31

Maddy70 · 30/12/2024 19:08

You know how pandemics work right?

Yes i absolutely do. Which again, leads directly back to my original question.....

madaboutpurple · 30/12/2024 19:56

A really good friend of mine died earlier in the year as she did not want her covid jab. If only she had them she would most likely still be alive.

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