Lucy letby

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How much longer are the poor parents of those babys going to be put through hell over and over again.
Wasnt she found guilty twice?.
I really feel for the familys.
They have had to put up with the hospitals cover ups and now new evidence and the Expert isnt sure now.
Why wasnt this all sorted before now.
Whos paying for the experts and solicitors on Lucy Letbys side.
If she didnt murder those babys who or what did?

Agree. The conviction should’ve been the end of it but it just goes on and on.

You either have to believe that a high number of babies started dying for no apparent reason and she was coincidentally present or you have to believe that a young and apparently average nurse started murdering tiny babies in her care. Both seem equally implausible yet one of them is true.

If it is an unsafe conviction it needs looking at . This is a young woman's life . There has been consternation from the beginning about this case and it's not going away . Specialists with different views , changing their minds , evidence not heard . It doesn't seem a cut n dry case which is what I'd expect given a whole life term is handed out .
If she is guilty then she needs to rot but atm there are a lot of unanswered questions.

Everyone should have whatever appeals are legally allowed.

If it's the case that a key expert witness for the prosecution has changed his mind, and if that would generally allow for an appeal (or whatever the process is), then that is what should happen.

Much as I think she probably is guilty. We just cannot take the risk that she’s not.
Every stone needs unturning as long as she is saying that she is not guilty.
I have daughters not much younger than her. I imagine her parents and how they must feel that their daughter has trained as a nurse. They’re so proud of her and then somehow she ends up in prison or something she hasn’t done. They must be in bits.

If it turns out that she didn't murder the poor babies and that actually they died of medical negligence or natural causes as the prosecution expert now seems to be suggesting for some of the cases, this needs to be known.

Poor hospital staffing and systems use scapegoats far too often to cover up institutional failure and if this is what has happened, it needs to be addressed properly.

The whole thing is awful but there were actually very plausible reasons for a high number of deaths. Poor staffing levels, sewage system broken, inexperienced staff for the level of care the babies needed. IIR most of the babies shouldn't have even been in the unit because they were too poorly.

You admit yourself that one of the expert witnesses for the prosecution has changed his position. Do you think the legal system should just say ‘Oh well, too late’, and let an unsafe conviction stand?

No im not saying that, as I said you would have thought that all this was sorted out before.

There will never be proper justice when they did the whole case in secret. You’d think it happened in China, not Britain.

The solicitor is working pro bono, free of charge. So are the (normally extremely highly paid) experts working with him.

There is huge concern among experts that the charges against Letby didn't make sense.

Under that pressure and some slips in timing, claimed at the trial, the prosecution's lead expert witness has given a signed statement saying he has changed his mind about causes of death.

His job was to inform both sides of all possibilities, not just to fight for the prosecution.

That isn't the only problem with the case but it is a major one. This is desperately sad and difficult for the parents, but there was no murder case and they had no suspicions that their children had been murdered before police and prosecution were misled by Evans.

This!!!

It's an unsafe conviction and this needs to be addressed. The so called expert isn't even a neonatologist. The coroner didn't even find evidence of murder.

She was indeed and it's ongoing so we can't talk about that.

Lots of people consider it’s an unsafe conviction, so it will go on and on. And if it is unsafe then it does need to be looked at, the whole nhs behaviour and use of ‘experts’ needs to be addressed, Lucy could be innocent, is it right she is kept in jail if she didn’t in fact do anything?

yes it’s difficult for the families, but we need a safe conviction and until that’s done then this will keep popping up

How exactly was the trial in secret? The Daily Mail ran a podcast on it. The whole transcripts are out on YouTube.

And the coroner has reported he didn't have full information at the inquests.

I think she’s guilty but she’s as entitled to due process as anyone else.

It’s awful for the victims and their families, they should be allowed to rest and live their lives without this never ending nightmare.

I can’t help but think she will be thriving from the ongoing attention. Who’s funding the new legal team? Are her parents throwing their money at it?

The whole case certainly wasn't in secret. But as in any trial, lots of potential evidence was excluded in advance and could not be disclosed.

Quite a bit of relevant information wasn't disclosed to the defence - that another baby on the ward had high insulin levels that weren't seen as suspicious; that the CPS ordered the police to stop investigating the statistics.

Quite a lot wasn't disclosed to the jury but has been disclosed during the Thirlwall Enquiry.

It's a very problematic case, but you're right that it wasn't a secret trial.

Following Thirlwall, which has published vast quantities of documents, has only made her look more guilty.

Her current barrister represents some other nurse murderers and he hasn't had any success with them either. Creating a lot of publicity seems to be his preferred style.

I have to agree with this.

I have no idea about the ins and outs of the case - I find the level of public discourse on it very disturbing, and I feel so deeply sorry for the poor parents who must be retraumatised every day at the moment.

My brother is a surgeon and we had one conversation about it a few months ago, just after the trial. He said that he doesn't know anything about neonatal medicine so can't comment on the medical issues around her innocence or guilt, BUT he said that the fact that the consultant on the ward was begging the hospital authorities to investigate for ? 2 years and they did nothing, so he felt that he had to go to the Police himself, to get them to open an investigation, led him to think that the probability of her being guilty is higher than her being innocent. Why would someone knowingly/willingly jeopardise their own career if they didn't feel that their own oath to 'do no harm' was being ignored by those in authority. He also said that staffing pressures are acute, but in neonatal medicine they are even more so and that the authorities would be loathe to lose such a specialist nurse.....

This whole mess has shone a spotlight on how failing managers and executives who run the NHS Trusts are allowed to shift from one mess to another - there needs to be wholesale reform of the NHS and it needs to be held FAR more accountable when things go wrong.

Why have we only now been told that a doctor forgot to document repositioning a tube and another doctor causing liver damage with a needle trying to expel air from the stomach.

We haven't only just been told about the liver injury. It was discussed and dismissed by the pathologist at the trial.

I don’t doubt her guilt. She is though entitled to whatever appeal process is open to her. Morality notwithstanding she has nothing else to do, she will spend the rest of her life behind bars without doing anything and why wouldn’t she appeal. She is also a narcissist by the sounds of it so of course it’s all about her and not the parents of the murdered children.
A horrific situation. FWIW she is costing the tax payer a crazy amount of money.

I thought Dr Evans said at the time air was injected iv and there was liver damage, the liver damage caused the collapse, it didn't mention a doctor had pierced the liver with a needle but only that it wasn't caused by cpr. This changed to air being introduced into the stomach via the feeding tube.