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mids2019 · 17/12/2024 06:59

Does the Thirwall enquiry act in a bubble and will it be taken seriously now? There were in my opinion mistaken warnings to the public and press to stop speculating about the causes of death because of distress to the parents and now this? In retrospect it seems like a demand no one seeks miscarriages of justice which is Orwellian in some respects.

It looks like a lot of the demonisation of Lucy has been unhelpful and we now have a much more nuanced picture emerging where our criminal trials procedure for complex medical cases is now on trial.

instead of having an enquiry into a never event it would have been better spending the money in improving criminal procedure.

I wonder how the jury are feeling?

Oftenaddled · 17/12/2024 08:15

Thirlwall could still usefully address the culture of systematic mild cover up - not full-blown conspiracy, but glossing over and not admitting to errors and problems - that the enquiry has exposed. There are a lot of useful things to say about that work culture whether Letby was guilty or not.

NotParticularly · 17/12/2024 08:21

Will the ongoing Thirlwall enquiry affect LL being given leave to appeal, I wonder?

MissMoneyFairy · 17/12/2024 10:11

If she is not guilty then the rest of them need to be held to account with their lies, cover ups and negligence. The place sounds a complete shambles and those poor parents deserve the truth.

Real1378262 · 17/12/2024 13:10

Looks like it was just a publicity stunt to get attention, and what they are saying is false.

BBC News - Expert denies he 'changed his mind' in Letby case
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6l0dynz7zo

Oftenaddled · 17/12/2024 13:59

Real1378262 · 17/12/2024 13:10

Looks like it was just a publicity stunt to get attention, and what they are saying is false.

BBC News - Expert denies he 'changed his mind' in Letby case
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6l0dynz7zo

That's a disgrace of a headline. Evans has put out a statement saying he's right, the court agrees with him, the defence is disgraceful, people shouldn't be talking like this ...

You know what he never says? That he didn't change his mind. Because he has done so on camera, on the record for channel 5, in a statement to BBC Panorama, and allegedly also in emails to Private Eye.

Now he said the defence is wrong, he's right, and he's not going to speak to the media again. Convenient.

Oftenaddled · 17/12/2024 14:02

Real1378262 · 17/12/2024 13:10

Looks like it was just a publicity stunt to get attention, and what they are saying is false.

BBC News - Expert denies he 'changed his mind' in Letby case
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz6l0dynz7zo

I realise it's not your fault, but BBC has misreported this and needs to correct the headline. Here's a link to the statement they are quoting from:

https://x.com/johnsweeneyroar/status/1868968381178671484

MissMoneyFairy · 17/12/2024 14:30

Don't paragraph 2 and 3 contradict themselves? If it's true that he made a revised report to the police why wasn't it handed in as request3d by the Barrister. Has he denied changing his opinion in view of new evidence, why is there no mention of the liver damaged by the doctor, was that ever taken into consideration .

Oftenaddled · 17/12/2024 15:01

MissMoneyFairy · 17/12/2024 14:30

Don't paragraph 2 and 3 contradict themselves? If it's true that he made a revised report to the police why wasn't it handed in as request3d by the Barrister. Has he denied changing his opinion in view of new evidence, why is there no mention of the liver damaged by the doctor, was that ever taken into consideration .

He is an odd character. He has been contradicting himself in the press for a while. The police asked him to stop talking to the media about that one child, but too late to control the story.

LoremIpsumCici · 18/12/2024 10:32

ElizabethTaylorsEyebrow · 17/12/2024 00:34

On the same piece of paper where she wrote “I killed them on purpose” she’d written something like “I did nothing wrong.” As well as a lot of other nonsense. Anyone’s guess what she was really thinking.

The note suggests a poor mental state, but by then she’d been removed from duty and knew she was likely to be arrested. A lot of people might lose the plot in those circumstances, even if they hadn’t done anything wrong.

Yes the paper that said “I killed them on purpose because I am not good enough” as well as “I did nothing wrong”

These were papers her therapist told her to write to express her inner tormenting thoughts. I see a panicked young woman who knows she is under suspicion of murdering babies, probably going to be arrested and racking her memories from years ago and thinking oh god, is this my fault? Am I a shit nurse, did I kill them through my own incompetence, but what did I do wrong? I did nothing wrong….but if everyone is saying I did it, they wouldn’t make it up, so I must have done it….

She could easily think she’d harmed the babies by not being a good enough nurse. The papers show she is heartbroken and spiralling into dark thoughts at the idea she may have harmed babies.

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